Any idea what time period this could be from ?

[klee]

Good evening 

 

Bought this off of an ebay auction as just a display piece and not really part of my actual collection since im certain it s super gimei ( Mino No Kami Fujiwara Jumyo )

 

But I am curious to know what time period it might be from. It kind of looked shinshinto to me but im sure other here are far better at at making educated guesses.

 

I liked the blade for what it was and for a couple hundred dollars I did not mind it at all. Thank you in advance

 

-Kevin L 

[Bosco]

My newbie eyes, its late Muromachi ?

[Grey Doffin]

Possibly Kanbun Shinto.

Grey

[PNSSHOGUN]

Little Sori was popular during Kanbun Shinto, and later Shin Shinto. 

[YourBabyBjornBorg]

Hi! Can we have a look at the signature? This could be a genuine Shinshinto Jumyo.

 

Sugata looks Kanbun, but Kitae is Shinshinto-like, so it would help if we had specific data on this sword,

 

if this is notably long, broad and thick, then it is more likely a Shinshinto.

[klee]

59 minutes ago, YourBabyBjornBorg said:

Hi! Can we have a look at the signature? This could be a genuine Shinshinto Jumyo.

 

Sugata looks Kanbun, but Kitae is Shinshinto-like, so it would help if we had specific data on this sword,

 

if this is notably long, broad and thick, then it is more likely a Shinshinto.

Hello ! Thank you for the insight.

 

Yes here is the mei/nakago close up.

 

I am not very familiar with Jumyo but it seems the only Jumyo who signed like this was Kanbun Jumyo. I did compare the mei and it looked quite different than the nbthk authenticated ones from Kanbun.

 

It is also a long wakizashi ( 54cm ). The nakago patina also seemed a bit strange to me.

 

[YourBabyBjornBorg]

Edited:

 

Oh! I'm sorry, but this does look like a Gimei. 

 

Looking at the Nakago, this could be Shinshinto or even Showa IMHO.

 

Yes! I did not know people would do this, but just like what Rivkin san said, the Nakago is cleaned. So no Showa, but Shinto (or Shinshinto).

[klee]

3 minutes ago, YourBabyBjornBorg said:

Oh! I'm sorry, but this does look like a Gimei. 

 

Looking at the Nakago, this could be Shinshinto or even Showa IMHO.

Lol no worries.  I was very certain this was gimei when I bought it. It was just a pretty blade for $300 so I figued id enjoy it as it is 😊

[Rivkin]

Nakago was cleaned recently, i.e. the rust inside characters is actually quite old.

I am 80% for the signature being authentic. Probably 1670-1730, might be a lesser known generation in 1700s, it is often the case as sword market collapsed completely 1705-1710.

Not a typical style for the school, but one of Edo period's attempts at something Rai-ish.

[Jacques]

Obiously gimei 

https://www.samuraimuseum.jp/shop/product/antique-Japanese-sword-wakizashi-signed-by-mino-no-kami-jyumyo-nbthk-hozon-certificate/?srsltid=AfmBOooramjpL2uGeOLrUD0P28RwlYDsa4aUalfgD_SBsxJpnjvUi4dq

[Lareon]

I also vote Kanbun Shinto

[klee]

8 hours ago, Rivkin said:

Nakago was cleaned recently, i.e. the rust inside characters is actually quite old.

I am 80% for the signature being authentic. Probably 1670-1730, might be a lesser known generation in 1700s, it is often the case as sword market collapsed completely 1705-1710.

Not a typical style for the school, but one of Edo period's attempts at something Rai-ish.

Thank you for the insight as always. I was definitely not aware of such a dramatic collapse early 1700. 

[Ooitame]

I also agree Kanbun/Shinto.

[klee]

Thank you for the input everyone. Very much appreciated. It is a pleasant surprise to see everyone lean Kanbun. I thought it was a much newer blade.

 

If I may ask, what are some of the indentification points that suggests Kanbun as opposed to 1700+ ? I only ever collect and read into koto works and schools so my shinto knowledge is near non existant

 

Thank you in advance 

 

Kevin L

[Ooitame]

Hi @klee, just look at the overall sughata, the mune turns to masame, general health of the blade, Nakago patina (this sword not a prime example from cleaning or tight tsuka) etc

... Google Kanbun Katanas and you will see a pattern.

[klee]

Blade arrived today and im pretty appaled at how nice this turned out to be. I guess the auction photos were in pretty rough lighting. And the nakago does not look like it s been cleaned. No idea how it was made to look like that on the ebay pic. In beautiful polish as well.

 

100% not what I thought I was getting from a cheap auction

[Tohagi]

Very nice !

Congratulations...

[klee]

Thank you 🙏

 

Id love to submit it to shinsa since its too nice of a blade but im pretty sure it s gimei and the cost would be almost double what I paid. Absolute best case as Kirill mentioned it may be a lesser known Jumyo from 1700s 

[Rawa]

Could you post boshi picture?

[Lareon]

if you wished to submit and it's gimei you would have to have the mei removed

[klee]

3 hours ago, Rawa said:

Could you post boshi picture?

Yes here is the boshi

 

 

[klee]

3 hours ago, Lareon said:

if you wished to submit and it's gimei you would have to have the mei removed

 

Yes and that would probably be way too much hassle since it would first have to be confirmed gimei

[Tohagi]

You may submit it at NTHK USA for a first appreasal?