Matsunoki Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 From these images it simply isn’t possible to tell you the age with any confidence. Read what Ray said…..that’s the opinion of a real expert and it’s the best you’ll get. Elsewhere you might get other opinions but that’s all they’ll be…opinions. The blade is in such rough shape that absolutely no detail is visible. 2 1 Quote
2devnul Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 On 6/14/2025 at 6:29 PM, domi88 said: No one has any idea about this nihonto ???? I don't think this is a Nihonto, well ... not anymore, if it was. Either it is fake pretending to be old sword, or just an old fake, or it was Nihonto in the past but was changed to junk by previous 'expert' owner. BTW, 100EURO for junk like that was a nice deal for the seller. You could buy much better replica for that money. Hell, if you are lucky enough you could even buy Nihonto in a very very poor condition, but still Nihonto. Kissaki is terrible. Also ... What the hell is this? Hamon? Quote
domi88 Posted June 18 Author Report Posted June 18 It is the reflections of the light that do that. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 Dominique, the value of a sword lies in the inherent quality and condition, not in the age! As you have heard, main characteristics of your blade have been altered, and together with the fact that the photos cannot show important features like HAMON and HADA, more information is not possible online. As I wrote, we have knowledgeable members in France, so in case you could show them your blade, you might get additional information. But I am afraid that would not turn the blade into a national treasure.... 1 1 Quote
Rawa Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 On 6/13/2025 at 11:03 PM, domi88 said: Hello everyone. I had published an article on an old katana some time ago and I finally managed to buy it, because the seller sold it at a really low price and it seemed to me that it was worth it. I know that the blade is not perfect, with a few tasks and blows on the edge, but overall, I am satisfied. I would like to know the age of this katana and others. I put as many photos as possible. THANKS https://photos.app.goo.gl/A9d53Hdd7CiGSBQJ8 He is asking for age or genuity. He knows about bad shape of his leaf. Quote
domi88 Posted June 18 Author Report Posted June 18 29 minutes ago, ROKUJURO said: Dominique, la valeur d'une épée réside dans sa qualité intrinsèque et son état, et non dans son âge ! Comme vous l'avez entendu, les principales caractéristiques de votre lame ont été altérées, et comme les photos ne montrent pas de détails importants comme HAMON et HADA, il est impossible d'obtenir plus d'informations en ligne. Comme je l'ai écrit, nous avons des membres compétents en France, donc si vous pouviez leur montrer votre lame, vous pourriez obtenir des informations complémentaires. Mais je crains que cela ne fasse pas de cette lame un trésor national… Quote
domi88 Posted June 18 Author Report Posted June 18 Merci bien.ce n'est pas la valeur qui m'importe c'est juste l'age de ce katana,,je ne veux ni le vendre ou faire du profit dessus..je sais qu'il est pas au mieux de ca forme ....... 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 In case you missed the comments helping you to date it, here is what Ray said: “o-suriage mumei katana (Shinto or earlier”… What does that tell you? = Possibly earlier than c1600~1775(?) (My question is what kind of katana has such a long Nakago?) 1 1 Quote
Jacques Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 I will be very clear, it's impossible to determine the age of a sword without having it in hands. To my eyes it's a fake... 1 Quote
Scogg Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 Hello, P... To oversimplify it: The age of Nihonto is determined by its general shape and form. When a sword has been shortened and the profile has been altered by buffing or sanding; the original shape and form has been lost. Therefore, we cannot imagine it's original shape and form from your photos. So the best you'll get on an age estimation is an educated guess. If that is not satisfying to you, that's really nobody else's fault. You will need to take it to an expert in-person who can identify more information from the steel itself. This is true for many nihonto, because photographs cannot capture all the subtleties. Hard to say if it's real or fake. The ruined kissaki makes it anyone's guess from the pictures provided; and is reminiscent of kissaki found on some fakes. Personally, I would take Ray's input to heart. -Sam 1 Quote
domi88 Posted June 19 Author Report Posted June 19 yes I understand. can matter to his age ... I do with ... thank you for all this informationOk thank you Quote
Jacques Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 On 6/17/2025 at 5:00 PM, Rawa said: No im stating that no chinese would go that far with details to make replica. Hum https://www.swordsofnorthshire.com/products/hand-forged-high-quality-chinese-tamahagane-clay-tempered-samurai-katana-sword Quote
Matsunoki Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 4 hours ago, Jacques said: I will be very clear, 4 hours ago, Jacques said: To my eyes it's a fake... Be a bit clearer and tell us why. Quote
Rawa Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 Im talking about nakago. You are posting photos of nagasa... Quote
domi88 Posted June 19 Author Report Posted June 19 19 minutes ago, Matsunoki said: Soyez un peu plus clair et dites-nous pourquoi. Quote
domi88 Posted June 19 Author Report Posted June 19 Yes the person who sold it to me that it was a very famous blacksmith named Temu. I'm really happy to have bought it 1 Quote
domi88 Posted June 19 Author Report Posted June 19 25 minutes ago, Matsunoki said: Soyez un peu plus clair et dites-nous pourquoi. Quote
domi88 Posted June 19 Author Report Posted June 19 I see that Jacques recognized this super saber of the Temu blacksmith. I recommend all their effective expertise to everyone. Thank you Jacques !!!!!!!!!! Quote
domi88 Posted June 19 Author Report Posted June 19 Je me rends compte a part monsieur Ray, que tout le monde critique beaucoup ce katana. Et beaucoup se prend pour des experts en la matière. Personne, en revanche, ne m'a dit que le menuki était ce qu'il représentait. Quote
David Flynn Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 What's the old saying? You can lead a horse to water.......... Quote
ROKUJURO Posted June 20 Report Posted June 20 6 hours ago, Rawa said: Im talking about nakago. You are posting photos of nagasa... Marcib, you cannot make a photo of the NAGASA (= length). You probably mean SUGATA? Quote
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