John C Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 3 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: Yes it is, I thought it was interesting that the small stamp next to the anchor was similar to the first kanji in the mei. John C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 39 minutes ago, John C said: first kanji in the mei. Yes. Although, Thomas & Trystan thought the kanji strokes were slightly different enough to raise question. However, we are starting to think the mark is for the Inaba Forge, like the "Ka" on other blades may be for Kamakura - so location stamps. We talked of these in several posts, but here's the one where we have summarized the 4 we have on Toyokawa blades: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 It looks like this thread was removed And it should be Too much negativity and sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 13 minutes ago, Swords said: It looks like this thread was removed And it should be Too much negativity and sarcasm Nope all there just 4 pages now. Click on PREV TOP LEFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 Great information a lot to digest I just bought the Jim Dawson book on EBay for 200.00 kinda pricey but It’s a start connoisseurs is my next on the hit list Great information from all thanks 🙏 I really appreciate it There’s still babbling criticism out there seems like it never stop’s if you don’t like what were discussing Don’t answer my comments just move on! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLuucas Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 I think that's a big part of the issue here... What are we discussing? Gassan Minamoto Sadakazu? Nihonto? Japanese military swords? Arsenal Blades? Auctions? Dealers? Books? I'd still like to know what you're trying to collect, and why? (see my comment on page 2). Are you looking for ww2 swords, nihonto, both? Are you collecting for your own personal gratification, or are you treasure hunting and trying to buy and resell? I don't meant to sound rude, but answers to these questions might quell many of the judgements from the so called "babbling critics". Right now it just seems like you want some type of valuable Japanese sword for reasons unknown. Last attempt before I'm out , Sincerely, -Sam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 @Brian Brian please make it stop It's ran the full Spectrum. Showed why nothing is missing then he comes back with what he posted before about babbling. Needs to end sir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooitame Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Stephen said: @Brian Brian please make it stop It's ran the full Spectrum. Showed why nothing is missing then he comes back with what he posted before about babbling. Needs to end sir +1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John C Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, Swords said: Great information a lot to digest I just bought the Jim Dawson book on EBay for 200.00 kinda pricey but It’s a start connoisseurs is my next on the hit list Both are excellent, however very different. Just an FYI that Dawson is great for military swords while Connoisseur's is great for learning how to interpret the hamon, hada, etc, of various schools - lots of oshigata. So, Dawsons for military and Connoisseur's for Nihonto. Personally, I would stick to a specific genre of sword, be it military, shin-shinto, or whatever, and focus on that for a while. Then if your interests change, you can move on to something else. John C. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 I’m trying to find some good books and just bought one thanks to the help of others But yet I’m still being dished by 2 others That’s why I said what I said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooitame Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, Swords said: I’m trying to find some good books and just bought one thanks to the help of others But yet I’m still being dished by 2 others That’s why I said what I said Too be fair, all I have read of this and other threads, you have received honest and non disrespectful replies. Some constructive criticism maybe, still not disrespectful. In these threads you are given advice and opinions, however seemed to ignore most all of it; only to repeat the same. The babbling comment and a weird Trump rant/tangent show disrespect for yourself as well as all those who have tried to help you; and this subject area. I gave a +1 as this thread was about a specific sword, and discussed thoroughly and morphed. Hence, I agree it should be closed. A new thread on what educational material would be best, is appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 I don’t know what threads you read but I disagree I have said many times thanking others constructive criticism I accept Non destructive criticism I don’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooitame Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Nihonto is a blue ocean, I wish you luck. Best to attend the show in Orlando, if possible. Books are good for reference and remembering some things; hands on with questions and study is invaluable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 there isn't a show in Tampa anymore. Vegas in late Jan, Chicago late April, Orlando mid June, SF early August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 STEVEN the thread had pretty much moved on and book leads good. Then you had to pick at scabs wanting to kindel the fire. That is trolling, why I asked it locked. My last help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooitame Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 @Mark, apologizes you are correct! Was thinking back to my first show for some reason... I have corrected my response; thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 I wis I could attend but with the new Covid and flying I’m staying home for now but thanks for asking yea your right having a discussion of books are interesting 🧐 So others attacks you 2 hours ago but because the theme changed an hour later it’s all forgotten ?? Il leave it on a positive note with books Do you know who said “I stand alone against many but I shall not give into defeat “ Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Simon R Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Swords said: Do you know who said “I stand alone against many but I shall not give into defeat “ I popped back in because this thread has the irresistibility of watching a train crash in slow motion. As to your question, it is 2 Corinthians 4:8-9, King James Bible And the exact quote is "We are hard-pressed on every side, yet not crushed" So that's another book you haven't read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 Nope I said that it just popped in my head im some what of an amateur poet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 I thought you weren’t answering any more of my post? It was a waste of time but here you are again 😆the babbling critic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Simon R Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Swords said: I thought you weren’t answering any more of my post? It was a waste of time but here you are again 😆the babbling critic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Pennington Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 You guys are like a bunch of hens in a chicken coop. One hen gets a red sore spot and the other hens can’t stop themselves from pecking at it. I hate to say it, but the guys at Warrelics and Wehrmacht-awards treat each other more respectfully than you do here. We need a little more “Live and let live”, “To each his own”. And that goes for both sides. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 Amen brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Simon R Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 From Sho-shin.com. http://www.sho-shin.com/buy-sell.htm I know reading isn't your forte but you really should try grasping some of the concepts in this essay. Buying and Selling There are as many reasons for collecting swords as people collecting. Money, however, asks us for price. Because swords are expensive, it is important we organize our priorities. Three areas confront a buyer: ONE: All swords and related materials are antiques and fantastic things from a fantastic past. This intriguing world lies there for us to indulge. There is the whisper of treasure overlooked. All swords fit this world and the price is negotiable. TWO: A fine-art sword which is in need of the investment of professional Japanese restoration and certificates of authenticity. Purchase price is summed with restoration costs and weighed against the promise of market potential. What will be the value of the "package" in full show-room condition? THREE: A fully authenticated art sword in full show-room condition. There are basic truths in the buying and selling of things... Sellers: The margin that exists between the highest possible price and the lowest possible price is the value that is bought and sold. The sword is just a vehicle that carries this margin. It is this margin that is bought and sold. It is margin that a seller has to offer. IF A SELLER WANTS IT ALL, he/she brings nothing to the sale. NOTHING. If a seller can't release margin to his sale, he/she is praying for the biggest sucker that ever lived to happen onto his sale. Such sellers should try the lottery. A buyer has the right to substantial margin A healthy sale is one where the margin will carry and enhance the trading value of a piece into the future. A healthy sale dictates the seller to allow the buyer to walk away with value tucked under his/her arm. Buyers: It is this health in a sale that should be the criteria driving the decisions of a buyer. The worse thing a buyer can do is hold "dirt-cheap" as his/her only real motivater. The art and history and cultural relevance of a piece, along with a particular collection - and a healthy sale as outlined above, create strong and successful acquisitions. If one buys only at a steal, there will be a lesser quality in the collection and its "things" than one's constructed frugality was designed to protect. Such play truly cuts off the nose despite the face. A collector cannot not gain the quality and richness of attributes wished for, and was engaged at market to acquire, unless he or she is willing to support their part in the sale of a quality piece. Rarely will anyone "get" over in a deal. The proposition is either stealing or being stolen from; and of course, it will not become clear until later. Almost invariably, the quality over which such contests are waged is not there in the first place. A long learned fact: somehow, quality pieces keep out of the mud. SO - pay cheap when possible, but it is never good to think that has any place around quality. Support of quality, after all, is only one's part in acquiring. Supporting quality is the only path to gaining a quality collection. Quality is supported, regardless, and one is either a part of this aspect of collecting or one is designing themselves - out. Swords are marvelous; rust, GIMEI, the good with bad. History, laying there for exploration - goofing around and learning, and having fun, etc. However, fine-art, the undertaking of polishing and papering, winning and losing, and the acquisition of fine pieces, is something to be taken with measured steps. This joyful sport is married up with one's very intellectual life, it deserves respect. It is a matter of self-respect. The Two Rules for Riskless Purchase One: Spend money you can afford to tie up and to which you will have no access. Two: Buy items that can be sold quickly for your investment. Virtue of the Quick Sale Buyers: It is easy to find a validity in ownership. But a dealer owns so that he can wait for that highest possible return. Greed forces the dealer to buy, it is the only way he can hold out for the high return. He can buy and hold or he can broker a piece for less but quick cash. For the buyer, it is far better to entertain the quick sale. A dealer brokering must make a sale before he loses his access to control of the piece and the right to sell. He must sell low or buy it him/herself, to retain control and an expectation, then, of a value return on investment. This is not evil, a direct owner has every right to full value; but opportunity is found by the buyer who can engage a quick sale. The fact is: pieces find dealers to broker a sale. The dealer stands in the open. Buyers and sellers can find the dealer easily. Dealers become a funnel for pieces on the move. One of the only opportunities for a good, even cheap buy is when dealers offer pieces in the capacity of a broker. As soon as anyone gains ownership, the piece stakes its claim to price. This is the reward of investment. With the quick sale, a low price is taken by the seller in place of investment and risk. Quick sale offers cash to a seller, and to the buyer, a price that cannot be passed. A quick sale offers the greatest margin of value for the buyer. Selling and you When people collect, they are truly enjoying themselves - bringing new things into their life. It's a joy. I have found that a thing has an intrinsic value, it's history and the art work itself; - and we have a joy in collecting and in exploring the world it came from. In selling a thing, that thing's value - is an entirely a different subject; - attached, but separate. Owning and selling are two different things. 180 degrees apart. Buying so that we can sell instantly is something that can be done. This almost always involves bigger names and bigger items. It turns out that people show a propensity for physically bigger, longer or more demonstrative things. The bigger and longer, the more easily sold. (except where rarity makes for higher values, such as tanto or Japanese pistols, which are seen as "more" - more valuable). People are always seem to be chasing for "more". The actual weapons don't necessary confine themselves to this. So there are two different sides: One is owning, the other is selling. A successful collection will find things that appeal to you, the owner - and may have nothing to do with things other people would buy quickly. People confuse these and feel hurt by it. One side is owning, learning, study - intellectual expansion at the beginning, passion, joy. The other is the opposite. Selling - not owning. Wisdom dictates dispassion - decide on your price and sell it. About selling and investments generally A value, of anything, is the following: -What a thing costs -What a thing is really worth -What a thing can be sold for - the present market Someone sells a swirly painting for $10. However, it is a VanGogh which has a real worth of much more. The present market, unfortunately only has three buyers, each have less than $20. The following is the overall rule; "Time is Your Friend" - Time heals all wounds. Time finds all buyers. There is only one exception - when buying. If you aren't prepared to buy a piece that fits your criteria for quality and price, someone will beat you to it. You must be prepared to say yes the instant of the right circumstance. In all other situations, Time s Your Friend. If you need to sell, time can become your enemy. Generosity is rare for the bleeding warrior. Buy well and be happy. On Money: The fact is, these things will always keep ahead of money - whether the economy falls or not. Whether it fails, or not. The fact is, however, the economy always gets better. The forever reality: - we go in cycles, one minute everything is on the rise, people are giddy - the next, someone says the world is coming to an end and everyone gets dower. The expression "buy low and sell high" refers exactly to this scenario. When people are going nuts and fretting - they want to sell, -everything is bad, woe is all. THAT is the "low" that signals buy. Later, inflation rains, turmoil is shouted - and then, oh look, it's spring! Prices are all higher - but people are getting along and prices for one's investments return and go back up. The whole landscape is changed. In the new landscape, those who bought, have. Those who didn't , don't. There you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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