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21 hours ago, DoTanuki yokai said:

Yokoyama Sukenaga

 

Edit: after some time i would change to shinto kozuke no daijo sukesada. 

Hi. DoTanuki yokai. so. you think this is Bizen school and Shinto ?

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On 7/27/2021 at 4:40 AM, DoTanuki yokai said:

Looks like nobody has a clue or is too afraid to be wrong.

Maybe you can post a little more pictures to get the ball rolling.

 

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From the shape: Nanbokucho, Momoyama or Shinshinto.

 

Now elimination begins: 

 

From the Boshi: Ichimai with long kaeri. Koto: Go/Sa school. Momoyama: Yasutsugu, Horikawa school, Shinkai. 

 

Hamon: angular (box-like) choji in nioi-deki with profuse tobiyaki, long ashi. No direct koto hit. Hadori is a little hard and follows a notare pattern while the work is executed with angular ups and down. 

 

Hada: standing out itame with nie and chikei. Soshu vibe to it. 

 

The combination of the boshi stucture, jihada and choji doesn't fit neatly in any obvious Koto box. The work feels one level above shinshinto.

 

Condition: There is either a slight machi-okuri, or none at all. This points to a sword made with nanbokucho sugata in later period length. It is probably ubu, with a second mekugi ana added either to fit a new koshirae or done at the same time the signature was erased to appear koto. Near the Nakago, the hamon begins in a shinto-like fashion. 

 

All of this leads me to a Momoyama period smith. Out of these, The Horikawa and Yasutsugu school were some of the most prolific. They have some work compatible with the shape of the boshi, hada and box-like choji. There is a certain koto renaissance inspiration to the work with mix-and-match of the five gokaden. The sword is well executed with a lot of jinie and active hamon which feels slighlty contrived, something with you often see in these koto revival work. This brings me far from my area of focus, but I'll bite: 

 

Idea 1: Iga no Kami Kinmichi

Idea 2: Yasutsugu

 

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On 8/1/2021 at 10:36 PM, Valric said:

From the shape: Nanbokucho, Momoyama or Shinshinto.

 

Now elimination begins: 

 

From the Boshi: Ichimai with long kaeri. Koto: Go/Sa school. Momoyama: Yasutsugu, Horikawa school, Shinkai. 

 

Hamon: angular (box-like) choji in nioi-deki with profuse tobiyaki, long ashi. No direct koto hit. Hadori is a little hard and follows a notare pattern while the work is executed with angular ups and down. 

 

Hada: standing out itame with nie and chikei. Soshu vibe to it. 

 

The combination of the boshi stucture, jihada and choji doesn't fit neatly in any obvious Koto box. The work feels one level above shinshinto.

 

Condition: There is either a slight machi-okuri, or none at all. This points to a sword made with nanbokucho sugata in later period length. It is probably ubu, with a second mekugi ana added either to fit a new koshirae or done at the same time the signature was erased to appear koto. Near the Nakago, the hamon begins in a shinto-like fashion. 

 

All of this leads me to a Momoyama period smith. Out of these, The Horikawa and Yasutsugu school were some of the most prolific. They have some work compatible with the shape of the boshi, hada and box-like choji. There is a certain koto renaissance inspiration to the work with mix-and-match of the five gokaden. The sword is well executed with a lot of jinie and active hamon which feels slighlty contrived, something with you often see in these koto revival work. This brings me far from my area of focus, but I'll bite: 

 

Idea 1: Iga no Kami Kinmichi

Idea 2: Yasutsugu

 

Impressive answer ! 

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1 hour ago, Mitsukawa said:

kanemichi AKA mutsu no kami daido.

He was the founder of their Mishina School.

You must have heard the names of his 4 sons.

 

 

 

This kanemichi is not the founder of the mishina school, the founder was Noshu seki ju Kanemichi whom later signed also O-Daidô so we are not sure if there is one O-Daidô or two and if Noshu seki and Mutsu no kami are the same or not.

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I believe the sayagaki puts this towards Nōshū Seki jū Kanemichi - 濃州関住兼道 and dates this sword around Eiroku 永禄 (1558-1570).

 

Thanks for posting this and it seems like a very nice sword. It is always very fun to participate in these and it gives a reason to tackle books.

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I believe the sayagaki puts this towards Nōshū Seki jū Kanemichi - 濃州関住兼道 and dates this sword around Eiroku 永禄 (1558-1570).

 

 

Right and in this case yasurime should be takanoha. 

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On 8/7/2021 at 5:56 PM, Jacques D. said:

 

 

This kanemichi is not the founder of the mishina school, the founder was Noshu seki ju Kanemichi whom later signed also O-Daidô so we are not sure if there is one O-Daidô or two and if Noshu seki and Mutsu no kami are the same or not.

In this sayagaki,Tanobe Michihiro sensei write This kanemichi is founder of the Mishina school.

I think O-Daido and Kanemichi is the same person

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3 hours ago, Mitsukawa said:

In this sayagaki,Tanobe Michihiro sensei write This kanemichi is founder of the Mishina school.

I think O-Daido and Kanemichi is the same person

 

 

In this sayagaki Tanobe sensei wrote about Noshu Seki ju Kanemichi and not Mutsu no kami Daido; .......(edited by Admin because Jacques doesn't know how to be polite)

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1 hour ago, Jacques D. said:

 

 

In this sayagaki Tanobe sensei wrote about Noshu Seki ju Kanemichi and not Mutsu no kami Daido; .......(edited by Admin because Jacques doesn't know how to be polite)

If not same person. why Tanobe sensei wrote  “ HE SON :KINMICHI,YOSHIMICHI, RAI KINMICHI,MASATOSHI GO TO KYTO"

 

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17 hours ago, Jacques D. said:

 

This is my last comment on NMB where too much nonsense is said and I don't want to be in it anymore. 

This shirasaya is not the one to go with the sword.

 

 

Sayagaki.jpg

 

 

I think you need more carefully.

The sayagaki wrote : Ubu, TWO WORDS MEI.

 

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