I bought a new tsuba

[kiku]

Hallo to all,

I bought a new tsuba and need some help again because of the signature. Please give me some little advise and then I can take a closer look at the Haynes index.

 

Thank you

 

Best regards

 

Sebastian

[Brian]

Sebastian..

Just curious. These tsuba you have are quite nice pieces, and I am sure they are not cheap. So how do you spend a few $100 or more and not know what the signature says before you buy them? I would think if I was spending $600 or $1000 or whatever, I would want to know what signature is on it first? Just wondering

 

Brian

[Rickisan]

Sebastian..

Congrads..that is beautiful tsuba....nice job!

I have been dreaming a nice shakudo nanako!

Any hints as to where you found this treasure?

Rick

[kiku]

Hallo Brian and Rick,

I bought it from a private collection and I had no cance to check anything because it was a very fast business and it was not "so " important because of the signatur because I like it so much and thats why I just bought it.

Here is the front side, maybe someone cane tell me something more about the tsuba.

 

Best regards

 

Sebastian

[Stephen]

Tsunanao to answer your question, the Tsuba folk should let you know if im off here, tosogu makers are read diff sometimes.

[kiku]

Hallo Stephen,

I have taken a look at the haynes index but I have not found the Tsunanao, maybe you can tell me something different about this maker.

Best regards

 

Sebastian

[Nobody]

Hallo Stephen,

I have taken a look at the haynes index but I have not found the Tsunanao, maybe you can tell me something different about this maker.

Best regards

 

Sebastian

Try Tsunenao.

[Stephen]

yes sloppy typing, never proof read just type and go, Gomenei

 

anyways dam nice tsuba imho

[Ludolf Richter]

I am wondering,why Haynes had missed this artist,who can be found in

Henri L.Joly

List of Names,Kakihan

Reprint London 1963

with No.430:

Tsunenao,Ichinomiya School.One of the 3 displayed Kao is exactely yours!Ludolf

[Brian]

:D :lol:

 

Sorry...have to laugh. We advise Sebastian to go and buy Haynes which he does, and then the very next tsuba he buys is one of the few that isn't in there. Ironic! :D

Good books to have though Sebastian.

 

I wonder if there is anything on this school in the pdf documents I have listed in the General Discussion section? Field museum or Boston museum books?

 

Brian

 

Edit to add: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.s ... ineNo=3390

Bonhams mentions on the page that in their sale (just passed) they have a namban tsuba by Ichinomiya Tsunenao. Worth looking through the catalog to find it. Could it be the same artist?

[Ludolf Richter]

30 min.after my first reply:

Haynes does have this artist under "Sadanaka" H07755,with all the infos.I found this out by looking in the (German) Shinkishi-Hara-book.There are 2 Mei examples in the Kinko Meikan on page 243 and 4 ex.,in the newer edition (Shin-san Kinko Meikan) on page 204.There is a remark in the Shinkishi Hara about a 5-Kanji-Mei with "Sadanaka-former Tsunenao"!That means that your nice Tsuba was probably made shortly after around 1725.Ludolf

[Brian]

Not sure if this is the same Tsunenao, but a bit of info I found on the net:

 

Bonhams:

A rare copper Namban tsuba is signed by Ichinomiya Tsunenao. It features dragons carved in relief with shishi and exotic birds. Designed with details in gold and enamel, it is engraved with European letters on the inner rim and dated 1759 (est. $4,000/4,500)

 

http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_a ... e&id=22307

http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_a ... e&id=11460 (work looks the same)

http://www.artfact.com/catalog/viewLot. ... e=ZNZ4G4wo

Tsunenao is from Takatsuki in Settsu province. He was a student of Ichinomiya Nagatsune and his work is similar to that of his master. It is believed that he was responsible for some vicarious work of Nagatsune.

http://www.truefork.org/Photography/Tsuba_1.php (Tsuba signed by Tsunenao)

 

Brian

[kiku]

Hallo to all,

I would like to say thank´s for the help again and I am really glad that you all help me doesnt matter if I ask stupid questions again.

Best regards

 

Sebastian

[zuiho]

Way to go. Very nice. An art object bought because you like it and not because of who made it is the best to have. The signature is secondary to the quality of

the piece. I am not a tsuba collector but I did buy one recently because I liked it so much. No signature and did not care. I have this same attitude with blades.

 

William G,