Naotane katana kanji

[PeterS]

Dear Everybody!

 

Please help me to translate this kanji. Thans in advance for Your helps.

応堀野義方之需作之

 

Peter

[Stephen]

did a goo on it

http://thequest.me.land.to/yauction/?it ... =185271030

Sorry no help

[PeterS]

Dear Stephen!

 

Sorry it is my fault, but i never learned in English (just use the words and the sentences that i heard) and i don't undertóstand exactly that you wrote.

I saw the link that yo wrote but i can't open it (503 forbidden error). But i checked the itemnumber the end of the link. That is same that i bought on n auction site cc 2 weeks ago. I find any kanji, just these not that i asked.

I think that menas "according to owner Horino Yoshi(ie, masa, taka) made this" but i don't know.

 

Please explain to me again that you wrote.

 

Thanks in advance to you for helps (even if you don't help me, for you time).

 

All the best to you.

 

Peter

[cabowen]

It says it was made to the order of a Mr. Horino Yoshimasa, assuming the first 之 is a typo....

[PeterS]

Dear Chris!

 

Thank you very much for your help.

Why must be the first 之 kanji typo? I can't belive it that the swordsmith made so big error. Do you think that this sword or the mei is a fake? Thanks.

[cabowen]

I was assuming that you perhaps had made a typo. If not, it just means that the person who ordered it has a different given name than what I indicated.

 

How can I tell if the mei is good or not when I have no photo of it?

[PeterS]

Dear Chris!

 

Sorry, i thought you've seen the pictures. Whatever.

I attached some pictures about the mei that i download (maybe it is not problem, i bought and i paid the sword). If i get it finally i'll make more picture, if you will be so nice that you help me. Thanks in advance.

I don't found nothing about this person.

 

 

 

 

[cabowen]

Have you compared the signature to valid examples? Many can be find with a Google search. There are many Naotane fakes, many very good ones. Compare your sword signature to 8-10 valid examples and then let us know what you think....

[PeterS]

Dear Chris!

 

I looked few mei. I found the better collection of Naotanes mei here...

But if i can to decide it maybe i don't ask for help.

I don't know. I found some difference few points of the kanji. For example at the Nao kanji. On the left side has a little line but on my blade wasn't there. But in this topik here i found similar writing of this kanji.

So with one word: Idontknow :-D

 

I'm really very grateful for your help and your time spent on me.

Thank you very much.

 

All the best to You.

 

Peter

[Toryu2020]

Peter -

attached is a published signature that is considered gimei - I think you will find it interesting for comparison.

-t

[Alan Morton]

I think Kajihie Naotane's Grandson.

Alan

[PeterS]

Dear Toryu!

 

If i made the translation correctly, then my boughted sword is a showa sword, not edo.

And the mei is a really fake. Many thanks, that was very helpful to me.

Can i know how did you find this picture?

 

Thanks again for your help and time.

All the best to you.

 

Peter

[PeterS]

Dear Toryu!

 

I have an other question. How can it happend that the sword can get registrasion card?

[Mark]

Peter

 

Any sword in Japan must have what you call a registration paper, it is required by law. The registration just says what is on the nakago, it does not say if it is genuine or gimei just what is there. A sword by a famous maker is worth a lot of money if genuine and it is easy to get a paper in Japan, so if it does not have a reliable paper that sort of speaks for itself. It is not a Showa sword, if made by Kajihie it would be made in the later 1800's

[PeterS]

Dear Mark!

 

In the parenthesis is three kanji (Showato). Or translated i wrong?

What made i wrong. Where is on the paper this name "Kajihie"

 

Thanks

 

Peter

[Toryu2020]

Peter -

This Oshigata is from a book by Fujishiro, a study of Naotane, Masahide and Kiyomaro published during the war years. We shall have to examine your blade more closely to determine when it was made as the signature could easily have been added later.

 

Kajihei is the nickname of Hosoda Naomitsu a student of Naokatsu who took to forging famous Shinshinto works when there was no market for swords in the Meiji period. If you can find Harry Watsons' translations of the Nihonto Koza Shinshinto volume there is an excellent article on how to spot gimei and particularly the work of Kajihei that is well worth the cost.

 

-t

[PeterS]

Dear Thomas!

 

Thanks for the instructions. It was very interesting and with this name i found this person. I think i like him.

If I get the sword i post some picture. I'd appreciate it if someone looking at (who know this thing, not me :-D I know just the heating, cooling, ventilation, etc.)

 

Thanks again.

All te best to you.

 

Peter

[cabowen]

There were several excellent smiths who are well known for making fakes of famous Shinshinto blades in the late Taisho/early Showa eras to earn a living. Kasama Shigetsugu is perhaps the best known.

[PeterS]

Dear Chris!

 

I haven't enugh time for so much learning but i have to find...

I have to much more learning...Thanks.

 

All the best to you.

Peter