kissakai Posted January 31, 2013 Report Posted January 31, 2013 I have been collecting mainly plain iron tsuba for about twelve months I know I have loads to learn and I’ve had some great help from the NMB I was wondering which was my oldest tsuba I’ve put these in date order any I wonder if the NMB members agree or disagree with this listing Feel free to change the order and if anyone wishes to correct any of my other errors please do 1 Gunbai sukashi Ko Tosho 1560 76 x 75 x 3mm 2 Fist Shape Tembo Kunisaku Date 1590 Size 82 x 81 x 6mm 3 Oxalis_sukashi Ko Tosho Date 1600 Size 76 x 74 x4.5mm 4 Bell Flower Heianjo Date 1650 Size 74 x 74 x 4.5mm 5 Two oxalis Tosho Date 1675 Size 75 x 71 x 4.5mm. Concave 6 Iris flower sukashi Tosho Date 1775 Size 83 x 83 x 3.2mm 7 Motifs Aizu Shōami Date 1800 Size 83 x 77 x 5mm Grev UK Quote
Gunome Posted January 31, 2013 Report Posted January 31, 2013 hello, Mei of n°2 must be Kuniyuki 國行 Quote
kaigunair Posted January 31, 2013 Report Posted January 31, 2013 Can't help with ages, but I'm not so sure about the theme for 3. The oxalis theme is usuall represented by what you see in 5. The middle of the leaf points in. In 3, it points out. Perhaps its a plum or cherry blossoms in 3. Don't mean to be nit picky. My kamon, as seen in my avatar, includes the katabami as an element its design. Hence my interest in the theme.... Quote
kissakai Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Posted January 31, 2013 Many thanks for some very quick replies and I thought these new images may help I’ve done an enlargement of the mei for No 2 (I will have to back to my books) No 2 Enlarged mei I call No 7 motifs are I can not find this image Grev UK Quote
MauroP Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Hi Grev, the shapes on tsuba no.7 can be described as jigami (地紙), i.e. papers cut in a fan shape. In particular the one you have magnified show a shishi (石獅), a Chinese guardian lion or lion-dog. Bye, Mauro Quote
Henry Wilson Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Hi Grev Another indication of age can be the shape and size of the ryuo hitsuana. Based on this, there are two that I see that in my opinion would fall into different slots in the chronological line you have posted. Quote
kissakai Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Posted February 2, 2013 Thanks for all your help Sebastien - I thought that with the two horizontal lines on the lower right hand side kanji it would be saku from (Robinsons book) but as you have said it is yuki and no one has disputed this I assume you are correct Junichi - I'm sure you are correct and I will have another look in my book of Mon Henry - I could do with a bit more help. I only have a few tsuba books and they all look at schools and methods of manufacture. One of by books that is just called tsuba has a pull out sheet with about 150 tsuba on the one sheet so it great for a quick comparison. My first thought was the hitsuana was longer and narrower on the earlier tsuba but then I found a wider one in an early period so I'm struggling. I have re-ordered the date list to 6, 1, 5, 4, 3, 2 and 7 but I'd really like to know if anyone can tell me the earlist dated tsuba Many thanks Grev UK Quote
christianmalterre Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 Oldest(and in mine personal eyes most interesting)is certainly your´s Nr.4 Those Tosho-style ones are all not "real Tosho"-rather revival pieces in mine eyes.. So Nr.4 Pre Edo-rest of lot is Edo to late Edo... Christian Quote
Henry Wilson Posted February 3, 2013 Report Posted February 3, 2013 Henry - I could do with a bit more help. Hi Grev Have a look here at the end of the first page. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13495 A good reference can be found at the link below. It is Tosogu no Kigen by Sasano Masayuki. http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?type ... ulu.com&q= Quote
kissakai Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Posted February 6, 2013 I think this may be the final order but as always subjected 4 Bell Flower Heianjo 1600 6 Iris flower sukashi pseudo Tosho 1750 3 Oxalis_sukashi pseudo Ko Tosho 1760 5 Two oxalis pseudo Tosho 1760 1 Gunbai sukashi pseudo Ko Tosho 1770 2 Fist Shape pseudo Tembo 1780 7 Motifs Aizu Shōami 1800 No 3 is not Oxalis but may be marigold (my 1st choice) or Oak/Ivy I still think the No 2 mei is saku rather than yuki Thanks for al the help and I’m happy to know which is my oldest tsuba Grev UK Quote
Jiro49 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Posted February 6, 2013 Thsi isnt on topic I i apologize in advance, but what is up the the nakago ana on number 4? Quote
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