reeder Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 A friend asked me to post a pic of a Tsuba for opinions. I guess he's not sure if it's right or a fake. As always, thanks a ton. -Brandon Quote
ROKUJURO Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Probably a Chinese decoration item of TSUBA shape, industrially made. Quote
Soshin Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Hi Brandon, I would need to agree with Jean C., on this it is a Chinese copy using industrial brass as the plate material. The workmanship and detail of the design is so poorly cased it hard to determine what the design is. The signature I find really badly carved and nonsensical. With all due respect I am always amazed people will spend money on such things while real tsuba are let unsold. This brings to mind a quote on the other forum. "There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person's lawful prey." Yours truly, David Stiles Quote
growlingbear Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 I am always amazed people will spend money on such things Yours for a bargain $600... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-EDO-PE ... 337920e24b James Quote
reeder Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Posted October 29, 2012 Thank you gentlemen, I guess it was one he was looking at buying then. I'll have to let him know, he'll be very pleased to know it is a fake before spending $600 vs afterwards. I'm just learning myself and somewhat getting comfortable with identifying some of the WWII swords. Y'all have a great day and thanks again! -Brandon Quote
Soshin Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Hi Brandon, If your friend is in the price range of paying $600 for a tsuba you should tell him to check out the sales section of the Nihonto Message Board. There are a fair number of tsuba in that price range all of which are authentic in terms of age and country of origin. Just trying to be helpful. Yours truly, David Stiles Quote
reeder Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Posted October 29, 2012 Thanks, that's what I told him but something about buying from collectors. I don't know what the deal is, I'd rather buy from someone here in that range knowing for sure I'm getting something that's right. -Brandon Quote
Soshin Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Hi Brandon, Hope your can reason with your friend. Some of my best tosogu pieces in my collection came from other collectors here on the Nihonto Message Board. I could maybe understand a security concern but that is one reason I try to use PayPal for most of my transactions. Yours truly, David Stiles Quote
Ed Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Let me see if I have this right. Your friend has a problem buying from legitimate collectors but doesn't mind asking their opinions. He doesn't want to buy a genuine tsuba from an established collector, yet he has considered spending $600 on a pitiful POS fake tsuba on e-bay ?? Brilliant !!! Quote
Jean Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Ed, I could not have stated it better Quote
Tcat Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks for the warm welcome. Pabbi1 please sign your posts with your real name as per forum rules. Are you Brandon's friend? If you are looking for information about tsuba or advise on how not to burn your money on Chinese fakes, you have come to the right place. Quote
Jean Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Truth cannot hurt. There is no other way to learn and avoid foolish move. We are not here to please people, that is not the right way to learn. We are here to educate, share experience and avoid people wasting money Quote
Brian Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Pabbi (Al?) We don't beat around the bush here..we get straight to the truth. Blunt and to the point...but we save loads of guys a lot of money. You can get good advice here, just have a thick skin. If you are willing to spend $600...you can get some nice stuff here..or at least good advice on what to look at and what to avoid. If you are indeed the guy who was considering the tsuba...then the welcome was a saving of $600. Best welcome you can get :lol: Brian Quote
Ed Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks for the warm welcome. Welcomes are given in the new member section (though I can appreciate the sarcasm) after you introduce yourself and offer a little info on yourself along with your real name. You do realize this board is comprised of collectors? Can you grasp how insulting it is to ask for advice, but make it known that you don't like collectors or at least buying from them? As well as how willing you are to throw away your money on e-bay for a fake so obvious that my children could point it out? If you are no more knowledgeable than to inquire on the tsuba posted, YOU should ONLY buy from a collector, NMB member or established dealer and delete your e-bay account. I won't even go into the study first speech. BTW, manners are good too, I didn't see where you said thanks to anyone for saving you $600. Now, you want a real tsuba ? Here is a link to a page of tsuba that I have slashed prices on for the upcoming Christmas sale. It hasn't been put on the web site yet and you are the first to see it. http://yakiba.com/christmas_sale.htm Here at NMB we don't make the collector, we make them better! Quote
Jean Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Ed, At the opposite, I only buy from collectors or reputable dealers, so I have just sent you an e-mail and a pm concerning one of your tsuba Quote
Ed Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Make that Jean was the first to see it. :lol: Quote
Soshin Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Hi Ed, Just sent you a email about a tsuba on your website which is part of the Christmas sale. Hi Pabbi (Al?), Follow the link on my message board signature to my website. It has a fair amount of information on it. It also has a small sales section where I list only things from my personal collection for sale. Let me know if you have any questions. Yours truly, David Stiles Quote
reeder Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Posted October 31, 2012 Ed, those are some very nice tsubas. I haven't gotten to collecting tsubas yet, just started with swords and mainly picked up the military swords (I know this isn't quite the military sword forum, but got to start somewhere I also need a couple zeroes at the end of my salary to feed the hunger, as I'm sure we'd all like -Brandon Quote
Ed Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Thanks Brandon, glad you liked the tsubas. It's all about collecting what you like. If you like militaria, then that's the way to go. The top two swords you posted look to be in pretty good condition. We all could stand more zeros, I'm shooting for more than a couple :D . You may have to start like many of us. Buy and trade up. If you ever enter the Nihonto arena, you could sell all four of your current pieces and buy one Nihonto. Keep it a while and study it, then sell and trade up. Keep doing this and you will eventually have had several nice swords to study, as well they should get better and better. You can do this forever and every year or so you will get a new and better sword to study, or eventually get your hands on something you deem worthy of keeping forever. Quote
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