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#1 Lukas

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 03:42 PM

Hey there,

As I'm quite new in the nihonto world I require som advice regarding a wakizashi.


Certificate: NTHK (Nihon Token Hozon Kai)
Certificate date: 16/7-2017
Signed by: Chief Executive Officer Teiji Miyano

Forge: TOMOYUKI
Province: Bungo
School: Takada
Era: Muromachi
Year: Bunei 1469-1486
Leaf style: Shinogi Zukuri
Iorimune
Kitae
Itame
Hamon: Suguha komaru gaeri
Mekugi ana: 1

Full Length: 65.5cm
Wakizashi: 63.5cm (sword)
Nagasa: 43.5cm (cutting section on the blade)
Sori: 1.1cm (curvature)
Tsuka: 18cm (handle)

It is offered at 1600 usd.

I would be very grateful If there was anyone who could give there input.

Thank very much.

Lukas Gerdin

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#2 raymondsinger

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 04:05 PM

It looks like a nice package Lukas. There are areas of rust. How serious is it? With rust, it is not possible to selectively polish just that area. A full polish will be needed if you want to address that issue (you may alternately choose to accept and leave as-is if the rust is is not active). If your intention would be to have the sword polished after purchase, then factor in the additional restoration cost which would be more that the stated purchase price (factoring in shirasaya and tsunagi). Are there any major flaws in the sword?

 

https://www.japanese...ex.com/kizu.htm

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 04:22 PM

Agree with Rayray, nice reasonable package. A togie can neutralize the rust with a burnishing tool if not to extreme (not shown in pix) otherwise just keep oiled. down the like if you really want it preserved send for full polish.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 04:34 PM

Lucas, it is unfortunately not possible to give you a reasonable advice based on these images. Neither can we really say anything in particular about the blade nor do we see the Tsuba or Menuki. It is standard Handachi mounts. Bungo blades are not in high regard on many occasions. A new polish is not recommend. The total cost would be above what this blade is worth. The papers are not a real benefit with such a blade. The asking price is fair. But again you need to ask yourself wheter the blade appeals to you. Buy what you like.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 04:37 PM

To be frank I would not buy it. There are for example some papered Hizen Wakizashis by reputable members like Ray and other up for sale that offer much more bang for the buck even if you will be looking at close to 3k investment. But the quality of the blades will easily stand up to their asking prices.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 04:38 PM

And one last thing: You have to keep in mind that you will face additional import duties / fees when buying a blade from outside the EU. so be prepared to spend an additional 20% on what you pay.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 06:31 PM

ON the other hand some do value Bungo and collect them as they were often sought by samurai as reliable blades in battle, Weigh your options for best results. 

first off more pix of rusty areas and if any more not seen.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:42 PM

I think the main issue collectors face with schools like Takada is the difficulty grouping them and classifying them much like in Kantei. Takada made swords for war and for that function they utilized many skill sets that produced swords of varying traits. Example attached is an Okissaki, gunome/notare and choji hamon,itame and mokume hada, length 73cm on the Nagasa. It's a quagmire of skill and function and yes in hand it is a masterpiece (Juyo).

Always judge a sword by it's merits for even Masamune had bad days or "yucky-ire".

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:48 PM

Shodai Tomoyuki was an excellent smith and made one of the kokuho (a hirazukiri wakizashi dated 1364).
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:54 PM

Hello Ray, that was 100 year prior to the sword in question here. Or did I miss something?


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 12:07 AM

Having two Rays replying to this thread will be confusing :). But if the question was to me, I only shared the comment as an example of the quality level seen in earlier works of this school (a school normally only associated with utilitarian work). Some later Bungo (Takada) work can look like high quality Sue-Bizen and I have seen a couple that I would have thought were the work of the better (ie. Eisho) Sukesada. Aside from the kokoku example, the first sword shown on this page was a particularly excellent sword that was given its attribution by Dr. Homma.

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 01:29 AM

I think the main issue collectors face with schools like Takada is the difficulty grouping them and classifying them much like in Kantei. Takada made swords for war and for that function they utilized many skill sets that produced swords of varying traits. Example attached is an Okissaki, gunome/notare and choji hamon,itame and mokume hada, length 73cm on the Nagasa. It's a quagmire of skill and function and yes in hand it is a masterpiece (Juyo).

Always judge a sword by it's merits for even Masamune had bad days or "yucky-ire".

 

Where is this sword??


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 01:31 AM

Quick 'buyer' thoughts, reasonable price, signed & papered, koshirae, on the short side, out of polish, flaws that will not polish out :dunno: , looks like hamachi may need to be reformed, *shape based on these images unimpressive imo (collectible swords begin with shape), quality based on these images is still a question. 

 

* how and would a new polish change the shape? 


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 06:21 AM

Hi Jay

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More to topic I also think the sword needs work and that will affect the overall investment which may not be recovered in the case of this Tomoyuki. So if you were buying it then it was a purchase on an item you love and will keep rather than to study and sell later.

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