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#1 GuyC

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 01:31 PM

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Catalogue description when purchased:

WW2 period Japanese Army Officer's Sword. A good Showa period example, the blade length of 27 inches. The tang with signatures to both sides. The hilt of military pattern with binding and retaining military mounts. Housed in its original pattern military metal scabbard, this retaining most of the original painted finish. Also complete with officer's sword knot.

 

My statistics:

Weight: 2lb 7oz (1.12kg), with saya: 3lb 10ozoz (1.64kg)
Length overall: 37'' (94cm) Blade: 27'' (69cm) Sori about 1'' (2.5cm)
POB: 6'' (15cm) from tsuba.
Profile taper 1.23'' (31.3mm) in front of habaki, 1.06'' (27mm)at mid blade, 0.88'' (22.5mm) 2 inches from tip.
Distal taper 0.28'' (7.1mm) in front of habaki, 0.26'' (6.6mm)at mid blade, 0.21'' (5.4mm) 2 inches from tip.

 

Comments and information gleaned elsewhere:

White frosted suguha hamon on blade which is more cosmetic than anything as these blades were not traditionally made. No other activity in blade. Nakago is signed/marked on both sides. Also what looks like a small Seki arsenal stamp. Seppa are also marked as is the poor quality tsuba. These are assembly number makings - 819. There is a retaining latch which engages with the saya. Tight brown ito over discoloured same. Single mekugi. Army cherry blossom menuki with gilt worn off.  Smith's name Masanori signed on nakago, might be the Masanori listed in Hawley, Mas 753 as a Seki smith in Mino in 1950, although this sword is of course earlier.

The other side of nakago translates as 'Showa ju ku nen ju gatsu', - 'Showa 19th year 10th month', - 'October 1944'.

The wooden scabbard linings are also marked. These have the same assembly numbers as on the tsuba and seppa '819' and beneath them 'Masanori', so all perfectly matching. The samegawa seems to be celluloid plastic which was used on some wartime swords.The menuki are placed as for a tachi and the mei (signature is correctly placed on the tachi omote side. (outward facing side when worn edge down as a tachi)

The sword knot is plain brown which would properly be for a Naval Officer but apparently the Army replaced their blue and brown ones for these as part of late war economy measures.

 

I have a specific question about the same. As stated it appears to be (feels like) cellulose or some other sort of plastic. How common was this ?


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#2 Hamfish

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 01:56 PM

i have perosnally only ever seen this in type 44 patterns guntos and late war naval dirks, for it to be in  a type 98 shingunto is a first for me. 


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#3 Bruce Pennington

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 02:49 PM

Same here, only once or twice on a 98. I have a Rinji ('44 pattern) with it. I can't say I've seen anything about it in the reference books, other than the fact that it was used, in general. Sort of makes your gunto have some personalized uniqueness!

#4 John A Stuart

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 02:52 PM

This Kunihiro has celluloid. John

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#5 vajo

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 03:10 PM

I have sold a Typ98 "Yoshiharu" with celluloid same.

 

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#6 celt72

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 07:39 PM

My Kanehide which is dated Dec. '43 has celluloid samegawa on it. I've also seen on another Kanehide that I believe was dated Oct '44. My thought was that whichever company was mounting Kanehide's blades was using it.


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#7 vajo

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 07:57 PM

I was thinking that celluloid same is ordered extra. Because i didn't found it on less mounted swords.

Maybe someone like it for wet weather conditions?


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