ww2colorado Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 (edited) Guys it's been awhile since I've been on. I had recently picked up a Japanese sword. I believe is referred as Kyu gunto. ? It is a fairly massive sword with a 35" blade nothing I could find under handle for signature What would the age of this sword be ? I am fairly unfamiliar with this model type of sword https://ibb.co/bjyWnRYx https://ibb.co/7dkHHSj7 https://ibb.co/39Y8GP1y Edited October 23 by ww2colorado Quote
ww2colorado Posted October 23 Author Report Posted October 23 (edited) Sure here's some https://ibb.co/bRzXrVDY https://ibb.co/jkq17CB5 https://ibb.co/97vJ2yb https://ibb.co/NbZVPCw https://ibb.co/chsLZSSS Edited October 23 by ww2colorado Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 Welcome back, Chuck! Yes, a company grade kyugunto with a cool kamon I haven't seen. You ought to post it on the Help Identify our Mon thread. Is it signed? Quote
ww2colorado Posted October 23 Author Report Posted October 23 Bruce it's been awhile 😆 So this would be for army? Quote
ww2colorado Posted October 23 Author Report Posted October 23 I did not see anything under handle but will have a better look tomorrow Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 Appears to be a Murata-To, a non-traditional oil tempered blade that were common for Kyu Gunto. Quote
ww2colorado Posted October 23 Author Report Posted October 23 War time I'm guessing machine made blade ? 1 Quote
Conway S Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 35” is quite long for a non-dress blade in kyu gunto mounts. Looks to be in nice condition too. A good find! 1 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 The Kamon looks like Oda Mokko. https://www.google.com/search?q=織田木瓜&client=safari&sca_esv=4acce884baa46368&hl=en-gb&udm=2&biw=390&bih=663&ei=fYz5aKX5CpHm2roPhrqTmQo&oq=織田木瓜&gs_lp=EhJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWciDOe5lOeUsOacqOeTnDIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB5I-VpQ0hJY3lVwAXgAkAECmAF7oAG5B6oBAzguM7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCCqACkAbCAggQABiABBiiBMICCBAAGKIEGIkFwgIFEAAYgATCAggQABgEGAcYHpgDAIgGAZIHAzkuMaAHgxKyBwM4LjG4B40GwgcHMC4zLjYuMcgHJQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img 1 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 31 minutes ago, ww2colorado said: Bruce it's been awhile 😆 So this would be for army? Yes. The navy kyu had black and gold saya. Like this: Working from memory, but the kyugunto came into service due to Japan's efforts to modernize their military, using western weapons as their model. The early models, from around 1880'ish were single-handed tsuka, but complaints convinced the service to move to double-handed tsuka. So, very rough guess yours could be in the 1900-1930 range production. Others may refine that date. 1 Quote
ww2colorado Posted October 23 Author Report Posted October 23 Thanks all for having having a look. I've learned here and shall continue to research this model of sword. Any reason why the extra long blade ? It's a pretty mean sword heavy duty Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 I've never read a reason for it, but examples exist both in WWII gunto and blades from the old days. Here's a well known photo of a couple of guys on a sword repair team. Note the longer sword on the right: Quote
Jcstroud Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 10 hours ago, ww2colorado said: Any reason why the extra long blade ? It's a pretty mean sword heavy duty Was for cavalry most often ceremonial,if sharpened was for wartime use. 1 Quote
ww2colorado Posted October 23 Author Report Posted October 23 Jc thanks for that. That's what I figured Quote
PNSSHOGUN Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 Well that isn't a cavalry model, probably just the officers preference. 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted October 24 Report Posted October 24 Posting a photo for the future. Imgur links often go dead after a few years: 1 1 Quote
Jcstroud Posted October 24 Report Posted October 24 15 hours ago, PNSSHOGUN said: Well that isn't a cavalry model, probably just the officers preference. If not he must have been 7 foot tall to keep it from dragging the ground.😁 1 2 Quote
ww2colorado Posted October 24 Author Report Posted October 24 Haha that's what I figured guy must have been 8 feet tall I'm about 6 feet and this thing is huge. Could you imagine a Japanese officer 100 years ago dragging a giant sword on the ground. Im not sure if people had been smaller back then like they say and Japanese people most are of smaller stature I do not believe anyone would have been able to wear this on a belt and walk around with it lmao 1 1 Quote
Jcstroud Posted October 25 Report Posted October 25 7 hours ago, ww2colorado said: this thing is huge. May I ask what is the the total length of sword hilt included? Quote
ww2colorado Posted Sunday at 01:15 AM Author Report Posted Sunday at 01:15 AM I will get a measurement out, sorry for the late reply I've been super busy. As soon as I find my tape I will get it overall length measurement Quote
ww2colorado Posted Monday at 06:42 PM Author Report Posted Monday at 06:42 PM (edited) Overall exactly 45" 35" blade 8" handle Edited Monday at 06:43 PM by ww2colorado Quote
Rawa Posted Monday at 08:10 PM Report Posted Monday at 08:10 PM (edited) This habaki is common with ww2 gunto. Edited Monday at 08:11 PM by Rawa 1 Quote
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