ajustice83 Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 Had to create a new account, old one locked behind an email address i cant access. People know me from other websites, Aaron Justice. 4th generation Tadayoshi with NBTHK papers. Recently polished. Fitted with a new dragon tsuba recently. Gorgeous blade, had it for a few years but finances dictate something needs to move. Full polish. Choji hamon. Silver habaki, silver fuchi and kashira. All dragon/ukigumo themed. Has a shirasaya. Fits a bit tight at the habaki, might have shrunk a bit in storage. And NBTHK papers. 69cm nagasa, 3.2cm motohaba, 2.35cm sakihaba. 7.5mm thick. 1.1cm sori. Dated 1688. Looking for $7500 shipped and insured in the US. Pictures to follow, in person shots and studio shots. 1 Quote
Lewis B Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 What level NBTHK papers? Would be good to show a photo of the nakago. Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 23 minutes ago, Hokke said: as well as......recent polish by whom? I do not know who polished it unfortunately, other than the nakago photo on the papers shows some oxides near the munemachi that are no longer present. Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 Better pictures. In person shots just for proof of ownership. Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 56 minutes ago, Lewis B said: What level NBTHK papers? Would be good to show a photo of the nakago. Edit: Tokubetsu Hozon level papers, picture attached. Needed to dig images out of my laptop Quote
Rawa Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 Dude there is dif between tokuho and hozon posting picture here 3 Quote
Rawa Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 Please post closer pictures of fittings. Habaki is solid silver I guess. Menuki solid gold? so shiny! Tsuba is modern? 3 Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 14 minutes ago, Rawa said: Please post closer pictures of fittings. Habaki is solid silver I guess. Habaki is solid, not foiled. Koshirae is modern, cast silver. All fittings are modern. The tsuba looks like chemically aged steel, the menuki are similar to ones sold through Namikawa Heibei which are silver plated in gold. Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 9 minutes ago, Rawa said: Dude there is dif between tokuho and hozon posting picture here I am more than happy to be incorrect in this case. Corrected to Tokubetsu Hozon Quote
Rawa Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 Guys do exception and comment please. Isnt it Juyo pretender? Such a healthy piece. It's wazamono rated smith! 1 Quote
Lewis B Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 Thanks for the clarification and image of the preferred TH level papers. I'm curious where you get a precise date of 1688? Was it polished in USA or Japan? 1 Quote
Rawa Posted August 2 Report Posted August 2 He was active 1688-1736 so no lover then this. But "The fourth-gen Tadayoshi received the honorable official title of Omi Daijo in the 13th year of the Genroku era (1700)" https://www.samuraimuseum.jp/shop/product/antique-Japanese-sword-wakizashi-signed-by-the-4th-gen-tadayoshi-nbthk-tokubetsu-hozon-certificate/ 1 Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 2 Author Report Posted August 2 37 minutes ago, Lewis B said: Thanks for the clarification and image of the preferred TH level papers. I'm curious where you get a precise date of 1688? Was it polished in USA or Japan? Polished in Japan. Some of my details are likely off due to Google translate (Japanese seller) but i saved the info I was sent after purchasing. "Characteristics: Hizen Province Omi DajJjo Fujiwara Tadayoshi is the son of Tadayoshi lI1 and his real name is Gensuke Hashimoto. He was excellent in his skill and in the 13th year of the Genroku era, he was awarded the title of Omi Daijo. He inscribed Omi Daijo Fujiwara Chukichi, Hizen Province Omi Daijo Fujiwara Chukichi, etc. Tadayoshi IV, his father, Tadayoshi llI died prematurely in the third year of Jokyo, when Tadayoshi IV was nineteen lyears old. I learned. For this reason, many of his works are similar to those of Tadahiro I1. There are also works that are thought to be his second generation works. The 4th 0mi Daijo adayoshi lived a long life and died at the age of 80 on September 9, 1944. It is a recommended swing that has been polished |and is in good condition." Quote
Cola Posted August 3 Report Posted August 3 13 hours ago, ajustice83 said: Polished in Japan. Some of my details are likely off due to Google translate (Japanese seller) but i saved the info I was sent after purchasing. "Characteristics: Hizen Province Omi DajJjo Fujiwara Tadayoshi is the son of Tadayoshi lI1 and his real name is Gensuke Hashimoto. He was excellent in his skill and in the 13th year of the Genroku era, he was awarded the title of Omi Daijo. He inscribed Omi Daijo Fujiwara Chukichi, Hizen Province Omi Daijo Fujiwara Chukichi, etc. Tadayoshi IV, his father, Tadayoshi llI died prematurely in the third year of Jokyo, when Tadayoshi IV was nineteen lyears old. I learned. For this reason, many of his works are similar to those of Tadahiro I1. There are also works that are thought to be his second generation works. The 4th 0mi Daijo adayoshi lived a long life and died at the age of 80 on September 9, 1944. It is a recommended swing that has been polished |and is in good condition." Modern fittings, vague description; samurai shokai? Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 3 Author Report Posted August 3 7 hours ago, Cola said: Modern fittings, vague description; samurai shokai? Bingo Quote
steve0 Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 Fittings aside, its a nice blade with a wonderful hamon. 1 Quote
steve0 Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 On 8/3/2025 at 7:23 AM, Rawa said: He died in 1747 if I count correctly. 1667 - 5 Sep. 1747, you are correct sir. Although I find the reference to 1688 hard to accept being he was only 21 at the time. Forging that level of quality at 21, possible yes but I doubt it. Its a really nice blade to my eyes. An extract from Roger R's book states The Yondai received the title ‘Ômi Daijô’ on 10 March 1700 and subsequently changed his mei to “Hizen Kuni Jû Ômi Daijô Fujiwara Tadayoshi”; he also signed “Tadayoshi Saku” as did the Shodai. Some time after 1709 he began signing “Ômi Daijô Fujiwara Tadayoshi”, perhaps copying his grandfather’s later technique of simply signing “Ômi Daijô Fujiwara Tadahiro”. He is the only Tadayoshi to use ‘Ômi Daijô’ in his Tadayoshi mei, and he therefore became known as ‘Ômi Daijô Tadayoshi’, however there are also dai-mei by the 5th gen. signing ‘Ômi Daijô Fujiwara Tadayoshi’, as we shall see. That does not support the 1688 claim in my limited opinion. Full credit to Roger for his research referenced here Quote
2devnul Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 Hi, I envy you so much to have such a sword, beautiful masterpiece. To bad I can't afford it. Hamon is flawless and Hada so tight that barely visible on pictures. As for the fittings, it seems you changed Tsuba from original to a Chinese cast 'dragon crap', why? Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 5 Author Report Posted August 5 46 minutes ago, 2devnul said: Hi, I envy you so much to have such a sword, beautiful masterpiece. To bad I can't afford it. Hamon is flawless and Hada so tight that barely visible on pictures. As for the fittings, it seems you changed Tsuba from original to a Chinese cast 'dragon crap', why? The "crap" tsuba is Japanese sourced. Ukigumo themed matching the silver fuchi and kashira. Replaced it because I preferred it to the plain tsukashi tsuba it had before, which was also modern made, not antique. Quote
Rawa Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 Yeah he simply wanted all fittings with dragon motif. I know for some is too much but its owner choice. I for example can't stand dragons. Early 2000's dragon motif was everywhere. 1 1 Quote
2devnul Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 31 minutes ago, ajustice83 said: The "crap" tsuba is Japanese sourced. I apologize if I offended you. I didn't mean it. It is just that Tsuba ... it looks like common Chinese replica theme. It is all about personal preferences, I know. Me? I would change that Tsuba pronto if I would own that sword. Nothing personal! BTW, here is mine Tadayoshi (3rd) in Koshirae. Nice Daisho it would be Quote
LastSamurai Posted August 5 Report Posted August 5 Aaron, it is a wondeful nihonto that you have there... I envy a bit its future keeper. Can I humbly ask - after that tsuba replacement, currently how tight is the overall fit? Assuming it was (almost) perfect tight fit coming from Japan in its modern koshirae... Adam, btw, this is a gorgeous wakizashi there... 1 Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 5 Author Report Posted August 5 31 minutes ago, LastSamurai said: Aaron, it is a wondeful nihonto that you have there... I envy a bit its future keeper. Can I humbly ask - after that tsuba replacement, currently how tight is the overall fit? Assuming it was (almost) perfect tight fit coming from Japan in its modern koshirae... Adam, btw, this is a gorgeous wakizashi there... Very solid, no wiggle. There is definitely room floating around the nakago, the tsuba does not make any harsh contact steel to steel, but the thickness was exact compared to the original tsuba. No movement at all up and down. 1 Quote
ajustice83 Posted August 9 Author Report Posted August 9 I'm probably going to pull this for now. Had a few inquiries and a few very lowball offers. Fortunately the need to sell financially is a bit lessened for me right now. 3 Quote
jesse Posted August 28 Report Posted August 28 1st - it's a beautiful blade, I'm in love with the hamon and general flow of the blade. 2nd - it's your sword so you decorate the furniture anyway you want/feel. I often change out different elements of the koshirae until I find age appropriate and certified parts. Like I said it's in my house for my enjoyment, when I pass it on to someone else they will get what ever the blade came to me with along with any additional/upgrades that I made. 3rd - it's a beautiful blade enjoy it. Warm Regards, Jesse Quote
Scogg Posted August 28 Report Posted August 28 On 8/8/2025 at 7:36 PM, ajustice83 said: I'm probably going to pull this for now. Had a few inquiries and a few very lowball offers. Fortunately the need to sell financially is a bit lessened for me right now. If you'd like this deleted, please let me know, and I can delete the sale listing. All the best, -Sam Quote
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