PietroParis Posted September 15 Report Posted September 15 This for the record is my own Komachi, bought from a German auction without seeing it first in hand. It was described as “bearing a shiny patina”, but I suspect that it was in fact coated with some kind of varnish by a misguided collector or "cowboy restorer"... 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 17 Author Report Posted September 17 So definitely not Renaissance wax then, Pietro? Quote
Van Minnen Posted September 17 Report Posted September 17 The redness in reality is more brown, the camera comes out red, but its more brown than red. The hole does go right through. The size is 37mm high 33mm wide 43mm long I realise you know your way around these items, but I am not sure what the full picture is Am I right in your suggestion Seki, last character might be un Maybe a Shojo Or Ono no Komachi Is there anyway to identify the period when this was carved? Many thanks for your assistance and advice Quote
PietroParis Posted September 17 Report Posted September 17 6 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said: So definitely not Renaissance wax then, Pietro? I’m afraid it’s something more permanent, it appears to have formed a thin film. It’s like some kind of furniture oil. There are also a few tiny blisters where the film separated from the surface: 1 Quote
PietroParis Posted September 17 Report Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Van Minnen said: I realise you know your way around these items, but I am not sure what the full picture is Am I right in your suggestion (….) Is there anyway to identify the period when this was carved? To summarize: 1) it’s definitely Ono no Komachi in old age rather than a Shojo. 2) The characters appear to be the ones identified by Piers, but the signature is not included in any list of netsuke carvers. 3) the top-down hole is not what you would expect in a netsuke, but the item seems too large for an ojime (i.e., the bead that is positioned on the cord between the netsuke and the object that hangs from it). So this piece remains a bit of an enigma to me. Based on these pictures I would generically place it in the 19th century, but I can’t say exactly what it is or whether it has been tampered with at a later stage. 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 17 Author Report Posted September 17 Ono no Komachi, agreeing with Pietro. (Scrub Shojo!) A vertical hole is typical for an ojime slide, but not at that size, and not for a Netsuke, Graham. Are there no other holes in it? If not, then we are looking at a small *Okimono, probably not a Netsuke. The vertical hole could have been inserted later, but that would not change things apart from the ability to be strung. *Okimono literally means an object for ‘placing’, a decorative object for a flat surface, carved in the Meiji period at the earliest. Quote
PietroParis Posted September 17 Report Posted September 17 Our replies crossed Piers, but great minds think alike! 1 Quote
Van Minnen Posted September 18 Report Posted September 18 Many thanks again for all the imput and goodwill. The hole on the top of the head seems very narrow. The hole underneath, between the feet, has another exit, on the right facing, just under the arm. Apologies for not mentioning this fact. Both holes are joined, and looking in sunlight I can see the bottom hole visible from the side hole,as light enters the bottom hole. My indebtedness to your continued assistance Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 18 Author Report Posted September 18 The holes (from what we can see) do not follow normal Netsuke holes which are larger, more like tunnels. Yours look to have been drilled later on. The question is 'why?' I would still stick with a definition of 'Okimono', rather than 'Netsuke'. Admittedly they can be close in conception, especially in the Meiji period where Netsuke and Okimono can sometimes overlap. A Netsuke might have a flat bottom for example, taking on an increasing ability to stand alone as an ornament. 1 Quote
John C Posted September 22 Report Posted September 22 The auction house is calling this a teppo netsuke, however it does not have the typical ring centered on the bottom like others I have seen. Is this a fake or possibly an actual pocket pistol? https://zentnercollection.com/product/antique-Japanese-teppo-netsuke-2/ John C. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 22 Author Report Posted September 22 “Pre-1920” tells us that it cannot be a real teppō as they finally went out of use around 1860. As to “Netsuke” I cannot see it, but it is not my place to criticize auction descriptions, which can vary wildly. Size, weight, smoothness and roundness in the hand, functionality as a Netsuke? 1 Quote
Sutraken Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 Gents, I would like to share my recently acquired netsuke with you. I think it was made of ivory and looks interesting. I always had an interest in a lot of Japanese art objects aside of nihonto, but this particular piece is my first netsuke. I would like to know more about this object, perhaps someone can tell me the translation of the stamp it bears. Thank you in advance. Stefan Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 23 Author Report Posted September 23 Hi Stefan. Thank you for posting. These rather better quality Chinese figures, Okimono, are not so old, (1900s), sadly made of ivory for the tourist trade. As ivory is illegal to buy and sell in most countries today, it is of little worth in the west. With no obvious Himotōshi holes they would not function as or qualify as Netsuke. The name Gyokuseki 玉石 has been added for ‘Japanese’ style cachet. The classical figure is probably Shoki the Demon Queller 1 Quote
Sutraken Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 Thank you, Piers. I bought this figure out of curiosity. Anyway I like it for what it is and will keep it in my possession. 1 Quote
Brian Posted September 23 Report Posted September 23 Bugs, would these be more properly called small okimono? 1 Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted September 23 Author Report Posted September 23 We were not given the sizes, but this figure is just a small figurine really, (almost like a decorative chess piece) as it is not within the traditional Japanese Netsuke/Okimono remit. If we had to choose a definition, then Okimono would be closer, which literally means ‘an object for placement’ or static object. Okimono from Japan became popular from Meiji onwards, tending to be rather larger decorative figures. (But Stefan’s above is more like an NLO, or a Netsuké-like object.) 1 Quote
PietroParis Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 On 9/23/2025 at 5:54 PM, Bugyotsuji said: The classical figure is probably Shoki the Demon Queller The pagoda in his hand would rather point to Bishamonten, probably part of a "Seven Lucky Gods" series. The signature Gyokuseki is very common on modern Chinese souvenirs, some even think it's a pun because in Japanese it means something like "dodgy". 1 Quote
Baka Gaijin Posted September 29 Report Posted September 29 Also you can read 玉石 as: Good and Bad Gems and Stones Wheat and Chaff 2 Quote
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