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2 hours ago, Bugyotsuji said:

Yes, that would be correct, so Meiji 21.

There are several alternate ways to write many of the numbers. 

I have been chatting with Bruce Pennington on the stamps and the mei. All of these have me stumped. I have looked through my Dawson and the Fuller & Gregory books and cannot identify these stamps.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Shugyosha said:

Hi Dan, 

 

It might be the sword smith’s seal rather than an inspection stamp. It’s in seal script so if you can do something like add talcum powder to pick out the text more clearly you might get a reading.

Any guess on the mei itself?

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15 minutes ago, Shugyosha said:

Hi Dan, 

 

It might be the sword smith’s seal rather than an inspection stamp. It’s in seal script so if you can do something like add talcum powder to pick out the text more clearly you might get a reading.

Best I have so far is the first kanji Ko 

 

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It's either a Murata-sword, or someone trying to fake a Murata-sword.  

The first two are 小銃囗囗. If this were a Murata sword, the last two characters should be 兼正 (Kanemasa).

Obviously the ones on this sword are different. Possibly 元定 (Motosada). But as far as I know he only used Kanemasa with the surname Shōjū. The stamps say Murata Tsuneyoshi in stylized tenshō script.

The stamps, the idiosyncratic "20", the 小銃 all point to a Murata sword. What does the sword itself look like?

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, SteveM said:

It's either a Murata-sword, or someone trying to fake a Murata-sword.  

The first two are 小銃囗囗. If this were a Murata sword, the last two characters should be 兼正 (Kanemasa).

Obviously the ones on this sword are different. Possibly 元定 (Motosada). But as far as I know he only used Kanemasa with the surname Shōjū. The stamps say Murata Tsuneyoshi in stylized tenshō script.

The stamps, the idiosyncratic "20", the 小銃 all point to a Murata sword. What does the sword itself look like?

 

If it's a copy of a Murata, they did well.image10.thumb.jpeg.cffe75a8e13b8f845cdcec17084c5005.jpeg

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9 minutes ago, Bruce Pennington said:

Wonder why the stamps would be for Tsuneyoshi, but the smith name is something else?

Great question! 1888 is when General Murata was experimenting with this type of blade and consulting with may smiths about the forging of blades. Maybe a collaboration? IDK

 

Below is a table from Kiipu back in November 2020 about Murata blades. Could this one be a stand-out?

 

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