Bugyotsuji Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 The following Mei is on a Netsuke with very good provenance. It is Japanese, antique, and finely carved, the owner assures me. He has tried unsuccessfully to read the Mei: http://forums.netsuke.org/tool/view/mb/ ... &id=671031 even enlisting the help of two Japanese native-speaking scholars in the US... I have offered the following possibilities, but without much confidence 蔦äºã€€(-åœ?)Chotei, Chochin, or 篤äºã€€(åœ?)Tokutei, Tokuchin? Can anyone help in any way, please? Quote
Nobody Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 This is my guess before seeing Piers’ answer. è”¦äº (Tsutatei; reading?) However; I am only 5 % sure. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted October 23, 2008 Author Report Posted October 23, 2008 This is my guess before seeing Piers’ answer. è”¦äº (Tsutatei; reading?) However; I am only 5 % sure. Thank you so much for appearing, Koichi san. You were just about my last hope!!! So you feel that the first Kanji must be 蔦　and the second äº regardless of the reading? I cannot find Tsutatei in any Netsuke artist list, but then again I can't find any other possible reading either! :lol: Thank you very much for your very precious input. Quote
Nobody Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 Thank you so much for appearing, Koichi san. You were my last hope!!! So you feel that the first Kanji must be 蔦　and the second äº regardless of the reading? Do not believe my guess. AFAIK, only Morita san can correctly read Sosho on this board. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted October 23, 2008 Author Report Posted October 23, 2008 Moriyama san, do you ever use this page? http://www013.upp.so-net.ne.jp/santai/santai.htm Quote
Nobody Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 Yes, I know the page, but I usually do not use the page. I have installed Sosho fonts on my PC. They are very useful to confirm a specific kanji in Sosho style. Ref. é’柳衡山フォントè‰æ›¸2 (for free) http://www.forest.impress.co.jp/lib/off ... ousy2.html Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted October 23, 2008 Author Report Posted October 23, 2008 Thank you for the link. It looks amazing, but I don't know much about computers and would be afraid to click the download button in case something went wrong in the process. Quote
Guido Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 Thank you for the link. It looks amazing, but I don't know much about computers and would be afraid to click the download button in case something went wrong in the process. What I did (because I, too, don't like to run more programs on my computer than neccessary):Download the program http://www.forest.impress.co.jp/lib/off ... zh_dl.html but choose "save as file", not "install". Extract the zip file, and copy AoyagiKouzanFontSousyo2.ttf into your fonts folder under "properties". You then can choose this font like any other without running an additional program. Quote
Guido Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 He has tried unsuccessfully to read the Mei:If it's a recorded Netsuke artist, the Mei will be in the Lazarnik index - "Netsuke and Inro artists and how to read their signatures", 2 volumes by George Lazarnik - (which is based on photos of Mei). Quite expensive, but well worth the investment. My books are still packed, but I'll check after returning from the DTI. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted October 23, 2008 Author Report Posted October 23, 2008 He has tried unsuccessfully to read the Mei:If it's a recorded Netsuke artist, the Mei will be in the Lazarnik index - "Netsuke and Inro artists and how to read their signatures", 2 volumes by George Lazarnik - (which is based on photos of Mei). Quite expensive, but well worth the investment. My books are still packed, but I'll check after returning from the DTI. Possibly then it's not a recorded artist, as the bloke seems to know his oats and I am sure he will have Lazarnick. As to the Sosho script download advice, I will need a little time to pluck up courage to try what you suggest. Thanks Guido in the meantime!!! Quote
John A Stuart Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 Hi All, Fonts aren't too bad. Careful is good advice though. I just partitioned my lap top and decided to mirror my hard drive on an external system, just in case. Bad move. 3 years of data have disappeared. I am crushed. It may be unrecoverable, likely is. Bloody computers. John Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Posted November 13, 2008 Well, five experts n the UK have all said that this is definitely "Rantei", according to a little bird. Quote
Nobody Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Ah, that did not come to mind. The "Rantei" may be 蘭亭 ? Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Posted November 13, 2008 Ah, that did not come to mind.The "Rantei" may be 蘭亭 ? Yes, but I have seen many examples of Rantei's signatures, and none of them look like the one above. Do you think it could be? See post #14 here: http://forums.netsuke.org/tool/post/net ... 2&trail=15 At first I thought yes, but then gradually I backed off. Quote
Nobody Posted November 13, 2008 Report Posted November 13, 2008 Yes, but I have seen many examples of Rantei's signatures, and none of them look like the one above. Do you think it could be? See post #14 here: http://forums.netsuke.org/tool/post/net ... 2&trail=15 At first I thought yes, but then gradually I backed off. I cannot decide which reading is correct, though I think Tuta is slightly alike. The attached pic shows sosho examples for candidates. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Posted November 13, 2008 WOW, many thanks for that. It's been weeks now that this correspondence has been going on here on this site and on another site and emails going backwards and forwards. Many, many thanks! や～本当に助かりました。ほっとしました！ Even though I can find no record of such a Netsuke-shi, that is how it should be read?! You are absolutely sure?!!! Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 24, 2008 Author Report Posted November 24, 2008 This one has also got me puzzled. Can anyone read it, if it will just upload for me? PS My Chinese exchange students tell me they see 逸 or 迭 (Itsu, or Tetsu) for the first Kanji, and 派 (-ha) for the second. My feeling is that the second might rather be 成 (-sei), giving 逸成 'Issei'??? There was an artist called 逸民 Itsumin but the known and listed signatures do not coincide. Quote
Nobody Posted November 24, 2008 Report Posted November 24, 2008 I incline to Itsumin (逸民) this time, though I am unsure. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted November 24, 2008 Author Report Posted November 24, 2008 Thank you for offering your input, Moriyama san. Much appreciated. Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Posted January 6, 2009 The following Mei is on a Netsuke with very good provenance. It is Japanese, antique, and finely carved, the owner assures me. He has tried unsuccessfully to read the Mei:http://forums.netsuke.org/tool/view/mb/ ... &id=671031 even enlisting the help of two Japanese native-speaking scholars in the US... I have offered the following possibilities, but without much confidence 蔦äºã€€(-åœ?)Chotei, Chochin, or 篤äºã€€(åœ?)Tokutei, Tokuchin? Can anyone help in any way, please? Could the character be 葛 I wonder, giving Kazura- or Katsu- or Kachi- ? Quote
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