SAS Posted November 6, 2019 Report Posted November 6, 2019 All of my sources are saying it began in Shinto times, without further discussion; I have a sword which has the appearance of late Muromachi/early Shinto workmanship of Yamato or Yamashiro tradition, with remnants of kesho yasurime followed by sujikai. Comments please? Edit: it seems that the sujikai I referred to above is superfluous as it is simply part of the kesho pattern according to sources i just looked at. Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted November 6, 2019 Report Posted November 6, 2019 Steve, where did you read that sujikai is part of kesho yasurime? They are certainly different, with the partial addition of kiri, & I doubt that a tosho would call them the same. Quote
SAS Posted November 6, 2019 Author Report Posted November 6, 2019 http://meiboku.info/guide/form/yasurime/index.htm The first one is sujikai, second is kesho; the file direction is the same after the beginning.I am not fluent in nihongo So, when did kesho start and by who? Quote
SAS Posted November 9, 2019 Author Report Posted November 9, 2019 Apparently my reference to sujikai and kesho yasurime was not an incorrect way to describe the yasurime, as Kokan Nagayama does so as well in "The Connoisseurs Book of Japanese Swords", i.e. p. 280, 283, et al. I am surprised that there has been no information forthcoming regarding the origin of kesho yasurime from our esteemed members. Quote
Guest When Necessary Posted October 18 Report Posted October 18 On 11/6/2019 at 11:54 AM, Ken-Hawaii said: Steve, where did you read that sujikai is part of kesho yasurime? They are certainly different, with the partial addition of kiri, & I doubt that a tosho would call them the same. Apologies for resurrecting this thread but here is a sword listing which states "yasurime are sujikai and have kesho". Japanese sword Touken Komachi, Tanto in shirasaya, Kuniyoshi Quote
Mikaveli Posted October 18 Report Posted October 18 Kesho just means decoration, veneer (or makeup). In the example, both the file marks appear decorative - and the mei has an artificial border. Both decorative elements, so I suspect it's as simple as being described as such? Quote
raaay Posted October 18 Report Posted October 18 from memory , and i cant remenber what book i got the info from but it was a round circa 1600 that Kesho i.e. full dress file marks was first used ! Quote
CSM101 Posted October 18 Report Posted October 18 If you want the ultimate answer: the english Token Bijutsu Nr. 28 page 26 - 29. Kanzan Token Kyoshitsu: Takanoha and Kesho-yasuri. Quote
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