Kaga Goto?

[Fuuten]

Hello everyone,

 

I would appreciate some help on the following item. I'm inquiring because i own a tsuba that is identical, however its attributed to Umetada, i got the notion this daisho is attributed to Kaga Goto but i'm not sure, i would appreciate it if someone could confirm.

 

 

Thank you in advance,

 

Original listing: http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r166759067

 

[Curran]

The listing says 'Kaga Goto'.

I've reached the point where my eyesight is not adequate to accurately see the last two characters on the attribution and confirm it.

 

[Edit]

One of the quiet wise gents with better eyesight than mine confirmed what what I suspected-

The papers say 'Kaga Zogan'.

 

I don't recall seeing 'Kaga Zogan' attribution before. Usually it has been Kaga Kinko or Kaga Goto.

These papers are dated 2016, so this may reflect one of those changes I believe came to pass in 2014.

[Fuuten]

Curran thank you very much (and the quiet wise gent alike).

 

This is interesting, my tsuba has very old papers, so this might very well be a case like you described. Zogan could mean inlay as well correct? Perhaps someone could suggest what it could mean in the form a attribution?

 

Thank you,

[Curran]

As to Kaga Zogan:   I can only give my opinion in that it is a variation of a zogan technique. I have seen what I thought to be the same technique on some Umetada works.

Is it exactly the same?--> That is really a question for Ford.

 

How old are the papers? NBTHK Green or White papers?

I understand why a tsuba like this might be called 'Umetada' at one point and time, and 'Kaga kinko' at another. Different judges at different times.

[Fuuten]

The paper i have is from 1976, Tokubetsu Kicho.

 

Am i correct to understand that the goto reference from the auction is incorrect then? Thank you Curran.

 

 

Best regards,

[Curran]

Papers say Kaga Zogan.

 

I'm not particularly accepting of the NBTHK hozon opinions that are dated 2014 onwards,

but I would stick with what the papers say over what this particular seller is saying in selling this daisho tsuba set.

[John A Stuart]

It seems strange to me to slot in a tsuba by just one wee element and ignore the whole package. John

[Curran]

It seems strange to me to slot in a tsuba by just one wee element and ignore the whole package. John

 

Yes.

I'll leave it at that.

[Fuuten]

It seems strange to me to slot in a tsuba by just one wee element and ignore the whole package. John

To be honest, i only inquired so i could perhaps learn about the tsuba i already have. Unfortunately I'm not in a position to acquire more.

[MauroP]

Regarding the generic techniques, the paper say hira-zōgan (平象嵌) and tsuyu-zōgan iroe (露象嵌色絵).

Here another tsuba with NBTHK attribution as Kaga-zōgan (from http://wakeidou.com/publics/index/275/)

Mauro

[Curran]

The two NBTHK Hozon papers in this thread are from 2016 and 2015.

 

I said before, "These papers are dated 2016, so this may reflect one of those changes I believe came to pass in 2014".

I would have attributed the one in Mauro's link as Kaga Kinko, and would have been confident NBTHK would concur prior to 2014.

Mauro- thank you for the link.