zog Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 Hello every one my name is Neil and i'm a long time sufferer of being addicted to Japanese swords. Have been a member for a while but this is my first post. I have recently acquired this sword but trying to research it has drawn a blank which is a worry in it self. So i'm turning to you for your opinion.If nothing else its worth looking at. It was advertised as a palace guard sword,it is a massive 151cm or 5' long in saya, 137cm -54" out with a 97cm- 38" cutting edge. The Saya is wood bound with hand stitched leather with bronze fittings and brass wheel- all fittings seem to be bronze or brass. The Tsuka is wood with two pieces of tin on each side wrapped in the same leather as the saya. All holes seem to be punched all cut by hand. But here are the problems the blade is incised a long with the Nakago The file marks run horizontal along the nakago and the rust & tarnish is bad all over hiding parts of the patterns & markings as its been unloved. It is sharp with no signs of recent sharpening, all together it is a mystery to me not even sure its Japanese? I have put a shin gunto in the pic's to really show its size. Any opinions would be great. Regard Neil
Tokaido Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 Hello Neil, sorry, but the sword is a (chinese) fake sword. It is NOT a genuine Japanese sword. Please have a close look at the "Fake Sword" section found at the pull-down menue "Research". Greetings Andreas
hxv Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 Hi Neil, It's a Chinese fake! Andreas beat me to it!!! Hoanh
truelotus Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 not necessarily chinese, folks ...have seen similar sword in junk market here in Indonesia ... they claimed it to be genuine gunto and need a wheel so the supposedly short-IJA-soldier may drag it anywhere he likes ...
kusunokimasahige Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 I am sorry to say it is a 1000000000000000000000% Chinese fake which has been artificially aged by burying it,How I know ? I once bought the same type with the same lame inscriptions on a junk market here in Amsterdam for 2 Euros.I hope you did not spend to much on it and I advise you to start studying several books mentioned in this forum. Look at the top grey bar.Also start reading this site thorougly. That prevents you from losing money :http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm
Chango Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 Not to be a parrot but yea, 100% worthless junk of modern (probably Chinese) vintage, very poor quality and artificially aged.
Isocyanide Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 How do people who make these thing live with themselves? Can't see how being a deceptive scumbag is an enjoyable way of life.
Stephen Posted October 12, 2015 Report Posted October 12, 2015 seen a few at gun shows, not Chinese fake rather Indonesia area, fun to see them dragged around.
kusunokimasahige Posted October 13, 2015 Report Posted October 13, 2015 Well they are made all over SE Asia apparently according to an Indian dealer I know who sells re-enactment stuff. 1
zog Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Posted October 18, 2015 Thanks so much. no i payed little for it now i know why.Cheers 1
Kai-Gunto Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 I have seen those swords before with wheels. They make me feel sick.
truelotus Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 actually I have seen a ishizuki on gunto with small wheels ... I think I saw it here in this forum ... I mean real gunto ishizuki, not funny sword like abovebut I forgot where
Guido Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 The swords-on-wheels monstrosities are as common here in Indonesia as the infamous belt swords - both types are definately not of Japanese origin.
Guido Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 WARNING! MAY CAUSE BLINDNESS IN SOME VIEWERS! An Indonesian online ad: I FOUND IN THE SOIL SOME YEARS LETTER, I THINK IT IS FROM Japanese SOLDIER IN WORDL WAR II IN SOUTH ASIA. WANT TO COLLECT THIS SWORD? sword material : iron or titanium, with jade, and 9 pic of star and mountain
SAS Posted October 24, 2015 Report Posted October 24, 2015 wow.....just wow. My optic precision has been set back decades.
Greg F Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Wow indeed! They had a good imagination. Whats next katana tie? Greg
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