Brian Posted October 18, 2014 Report Posted October 18, 2014 I would like to thank Guido Schiller for compiling the complete listing of the wazamono (sharpness) ranking of the various swordsmiths, and providing it to us here at the NMB as an article. I have added it to the articles section, but it can be downloaded here: http://www.nihontomessageboard.com/arti ... zamono.pdf This is a perfect complement and addition to Markus' book on tameshigiri, but stands on its own as an excellent educational article. Thanks Guido Brian Quote
Drago Posted October 18, 2014 Report Posted October 18, 2014 Thank you very much. However, I'd like to suggest adding a few more identifying features - like Hawley's ID number. Quote
Brian Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Posted October 18, 2014 Tobias, I am sure Guido is up for anything....at the right fee. :lol: That was a lot of work, I am sure no-one is keen to spend hours adding more to it. Besides, more and more people are using Markus' index rather than Hawleys nowdays and that doesn't have reference numbers. Brian Quote
Eric H Posted October 18, 2014 Report Posted October 18, 2014 Wazamono Ranking with calculation of value. http://www.jp-sword.com/ Foto of Yamada Asaemon Yoshitoshi Eric Quote
Guido Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Eric, I worked with original sources; for instance, I own a first edition 1830 Kokon Kaji Bikō. I didn't just copy the (incomplete) entries in other books on the subject. My list contains all the kanji and additional, identifying information. I also don't see what good the totally outdated, arbitrary Yen values in the 20'th century Tōkō Taikan would do. In any case, you get what you pay for. If you don't like my article, feel free to ignore it. Quote
Guido Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Tobias, I don't use Hawley. If you want to add those numbers, be my guest. Quote
k morita Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Nice research! The research using original source is the most wonderful. Other web site has the possibility of wrong description(typo etc..). Quote
Guido Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Other web site has the possibility of wrong description(typo etc..).Well, I can't rule out 100% that I didn't make any typos etc. I just compiled the list to the best of my knowlege and abilities. No guarantees ... Quote
Eric H Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 If you don't like my article, feel free to ignore it. Guido, your competency in dealing with Japanese swords is well known and documented...most of your publications and contributions are stored in my PC. Tobias H. asked „for more identifying“ features. One of these features could be the monetary position of very important smiths in the market. The numbers offered by Tokuno are of course out of validity, but they give a comparison key in relation among themselves. By comparing your lists from 2008 August to 2014 October, there is a increase 2014 in the section yoki wazamono (+2) and a decrease in 2014 in the section wasamono (-1). These are of course negligible. I want you to know, this is in no way a critique on your lists but rather evidence that I appreciate your contributions. Sincerely Eric Quote
Guido Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 I want you to know, this is in no way a critique on your lists but rather evidence that I appreciate your contributions.Thank you, and sorry for getting defensive. Since you didn't make any comments, but just linked to a well-known website, I was under the impression of being accused of plagiarism – I'm happy to learn it wasn't meant that way.By comparing your lists from 2008 August to 2014 October' date=' there is a increase 2014 in the section yoki wazamono (+2) and a decrease in 2014 in the section wasamono (-1). These are of course negligible.[/quote']I'm never really happy with my articles, and second-guess myself constantly. Between the 2008 and 2014 lists, I got access to other, more reliable sources, and corrected myself accordingly. At the NBTHK I was allowed to look at their original of the Kaihō Kenjaku; I was quite surprised that it was just an "accordion" style folding paper with only the names listed – no pictures or comments. Unfortunately I wasn't allowed to take pictures (or even make a copy), but I counted 183 entries, which differs from other publications. Maybe I counted wrongly, I don't know. So don't be surprised if I publish yet another version of "my" list in the future. One of these features could be the monetary position of very important smiths in the market. The numbers offered by Tokuno are of course out of validity, but they give a comparison key in relation among themselves.I don't like the Tokuno values or the Hawley point system; I'm even not comfortable with the Fujishiro rankings. And especially not with the Honami values, as they were known to inflate the prices for important customers. The Fujishiro brothers probably came closest to the mark, but they are all subjective in the end. Quote
seattle1 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Hello Mr. Schiller: Thank you very much for the valuable and useful compilation. In that testing was carried on for several decades by the Yamada after the revision of 1830 and records must have been made, I wonder if you know of the existence of such data? Arnold F. Quote
Guido Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 In that testing was carried on for several decades by the Yamada after the revision of 1830 and records must have been made, I wonder if you know of the existence of such data.Sor far I haven't come across any publication or list after the KKB. Quote
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