sanjyo yoshinori

[rodrig4]

bonjour .

Mes connaissances ne sont que balbutiements.

Je vient de faire l’acquisition d’un wakisashi, un sanjyo yoshinori de l’école yamashiro .

Le hamon et le hada semblent se rapporter à cette école.

Le nakago est court et la signature est correct, mais est-elle réelle ?

ceci est la derniere phrase :

Le nakago est court et la signature est correct, mais est-elle réelle ?

[John A Stuart]

Hello Rod?, Please sign a name by which you may be addressed. Sanjo 三女 Yoshinori 吉則 I wonder which one?Is it possible that this is an ato-mei. O-suriage with so much removed a signature was later added. John

[Gabriel L]

[For the non-francophones out there, Rodriguez is asking if it's shoshin; he knows what the mei says and thinks the workmanship looks right for the school.]

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Bonjour Rodriguez,

 

Bienvenue au NMB. Il faut que je vous dise qu'ici on est obligé à signer avec son nom réel; aussi, même qu'il y a quelques francophones ici, si c'est possible on demande s'il vous plaît continuer nos discussions en anglais, pour que le plupart des membres peuvent participer.

 

Au sujet de Sanjo Yoshinori, je ne suis pas connaisseur, mais j'essayerai.

 

Oui, vous l'avez traduit correctement (que vous saviez encore). Le fer a l'air Kotô (peut-être Muromachi), je crois, et le couleur du nakago le supporte aussi. Malheureusement ma bibliothèque n'a pas beaucoup d'oshigata pour la période Kotô; je ne peut pas confirmer ce mei.

 

Je le chercherai sur l'internet, et si je trouve des images des mei pour cette ligne, je les mettrai ici.

 

Pardon mon français très rouillé,

 

—Gabriel L.

 

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Hello Rodriguez,

 

Welcome to the NMB. I have to tell you that the forum rules require you to sign with your real name; also, although there are some french speakers here, if possible please continue any discussions in English, so the majority of members can participate.

 

Regarding Sanjo Yoshinori, I'm no connoisseur, but I'll try.

 

Yes, you have translated the mei correctly (which you knew already). The steel seems Kotô (maybe Muromachi), I think, and the color of the nakago supports that also. Unfortunately my library doesn't have many Kotô oshigata yet; I can't confirm the mei.

 

I'll look further online, and if I find any images of this line's mei, I'll put them up here.

 

Please excuse my very rusty French,

 

—Gabriel L.

[Gabriel L]

Hello Rod?, Please sign a name by which you may be addressed. Sanjo 三女 Yoshinori 吉則 I wonder which one?Is it possible that this is an ato-mei. O-suriage with so much removed a signature was later added. John

 

I'm thinking the Bunei 1469 one (active 1471-1507), per Markus's index it's the most common one and he made a lot of wakizashi; the steel looks not so great, I'm thinking later rather than earlier; and finally, this is the generation that was listed in the original auction, so it's the one we should focus on first.

 

EDIT: also, it's 三条吉則.

 

EDIT 2: I already started a new post, might as well start collecting sources:

 

Papered wakizashi, Oei 26 = 1419

1467 Yoshinori wakizashi

Muromachi Yoshinori katana (papered)

Tanto oshigata, "Muromachi," gen?

Mumei papered katana, gen?

[Brian]

I can't see any way for that mei to be original, if you consider the bottom ana. It looks old and punched, and isn't correctly placed to have been a second ana. So logic says the sword is o-suriage. It might be the correct smith, but not sure the mei is by him.

The nakago jiri screams at least suriage, but the sugata says o-suriage.

 

Brian

[Gabriel L]

Mei comparison is inconclusive at best. Not very good examples, not a very consistent mei, not very well-identified generations, lots of obfuscation with photos and mekugi ana etc.

 

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

What do you think about the location of the top of the mei in regard of the bottom of the Hi ?

[rodrig4]

Hi,

 

What do you think about the location of the top of the mei in regard of the bottom of the Hi ?

 

bonjour.

pourriez vous préciser votre pensé , si vous avez des infos complémentaires , elles seront les bien venues .

rodriguez .

[takakage]

Hi,

I found some sanjo yoshinori blades with kiri yasuri mei , yours seems to be katte. A strange nakago and hi. I'm wonder if the mei was added later to a blade to an other school .

 

 

this blade was sold by a "famous" Japanese e bay seller few days ago

[rodrig4]

hello.

may be you could enlighten my knowledge on this blade if whether mei is true, because it appears that the Jigane is:

Itame and Mokume Hada. Utsuri and Chikei in jitetsu.

and the hamon is:

Gunome midare, Nie-deki. Kinsuji, Sunagashi.

 

cordially.

 

          Rodriguez.