Matsunoki

Fake.

This explains why I have never really bothered about Mei but instead tried to concentrate on quality!!🙂 This is the Haynes entry that I found……just a couple above yours John. All too confusing for my ageing brain🙂

Hi John, nice to hear from you. Yes indeed I think it did come from you and yes it is Shoki. Really fine kozuka but maybe time to move on again. Can’t quite make up my mind!

Hi Jean, many thanks. Much appreciated! I am sorting out my kozuka collection with a view to selling. I had not remembered that this one was signed until I sat down for a “proper look”! Time to get organised I think🙂 Best. C.

Persistence pays off maybe……is it “Denryusai Yoshiyuki”? (from a aha mani school kozuka of Shoki)

I think I can get “Yoshi” but I’m not getting any further. Many thanks in advance, apologies for my poor Mei skills. All the best Colin.

Sadly you are correct. Unlikely to be Japanese, more likely Chinese. Not a true netsuke.

Images designed to make it look dramatic without really showing anything (as Uwe says above). That alone makes me very suspicious. Also the black finish on the shikoro does not look like old lacquer. Also the “gold” plates on the shikoro are heavily worn but the lacing looks brand new. Also the missing rivets holding shikoro to hachi suggest it does not fit correctly…..possibly a marriage? I am also a novice collector of armour and my opinion is worth little but I try to look closely at images to spot things that make me nervous. To my uneducated eye this looks highly dubious. Parts may well be old but………

Could you also show images of the kissaki/boshi please?

One of my favourite subjects in Japanese Art is the depiction of hawks, falcons and other birds of prey. I recently acquired this pair of large scrolls (from Japan). They appear to carry the seal of Kano Naonobu (1519-1592ish). They are said to be two paintings from a now lost Kano hawk byobu screen that were remounted as scrolls in 1914. Do we have any Kano knowledge on our Forum? Does that provenance seem possible? Certainly the paintings are older than the scroll mountings and they look “right” to me but really, I bought them because I absolutely love them. Any opinions anyone? Many thanks.

Blimey, that image brought back long buried memories. We had these on the farm where I was born. As a kid I used them to cut hazel spears and arrows in the wood. I think their intended function was to trim sugar beet and mangolds when harvesting was largely by hand. Gentler days.

I guess it is like any niche subject…..only a comparatively few people will be interested and even fewer will take the time to study the artistry, skill and mythology. Collecting stamps and coins is far easier! However the financial values of fine Japanese metalwork including sword fittings has increased massively in the last 10 - 15 years so I guess some heavy hitters are taking some notice worldwide. I’m not sure if that is a good or a bad thing.

You are not alone there! I’m sure others will chime in but basically it is wise to pay no serious attention to 90% of museum descriptions. They do not have the expertise and often get it very badly wrong. Try this link….. https://www.bonhams.com/search/?chronology=past&query=Tsuba Bonhams are far better than museums and you change the search criteria to fuchi or kozuka etc or even specific artists. Remember to click on the” past lots” filter.

Nor me, too damned hard! Looks like a perfect job to me Piers. Patience pays🙂

Liang, no I don’t think it is nunome zogan. Nunome zogan is not usually used on a copper base because the adhesion would be poor and also the subsequent carving of the “fur” would tear the delicate foil. It is almost certainly true Hirazogan done in either silver or more likely pale shibuichi. ……(although you have the piece in your hands and I do not!) Also had you noticed the teeth appear inlaid, probably in silver and quite possibly the eyes also. Is that the case? All point to very high quality work.

Well, I think it is head and shoulders above the other one. The technical quality of the inlay is excellent and the treatment of the laughing face likewise. The composition works well on the narrow kozuka….and the subtle inlay on his lower robe is easily missed. Not sure if it is meant to depict deerskin? High quality well made kozuka. I’d happily own it and personally would not worry about the mei. Quality is quality. re Shinsa for fittings….I rather lost faith when they papered a Nagoya mono!

I agree totally with Curran…..some superb works have “questionable mei” but I often wonder…..are they really gimei? How can we be certain? Which ones are genuine and which not? Mei would doubtless vary as artists grew older, maybe even they even changed them deliberately …..we don’t really know. Records are a bit sparse. We do know many of these artists had teachers and pupils, perhaps even akin to many swordsmiths workshops. Iwamoto Konkan is a prime example where many wonderful works are catalogued as “after Konkan” or “school of Konkan” yet someone with immense talent made them. Who?….and why gimei something superb in its own right. Was it done with the blessing of the “master”, was it made by the master and signed by the student (as per some swords). We jump to the conclusion that it was done to deceive ie for £ but I remain hesitant to judge. Of course many pieces fall well short on technical quality or artistry and certainly we can be confident that they are indeed “wrong uns” but sometimes I wonder…… Just some wandering rambling musings🙂

Fox trap?…..vague memory I’ve seen something like this on a tsuba where a farmer was trying to catch a fox.

Looks like something a fisherman would make and use. I don't think it’s weapon.

Thanks….yes found it on Dale’s link to Jauce👍. (Never been on that site before!) they do not mention the alloy/metal that it is made from and the first thing that struck me was that the faceplate looked like it had been overcleaned at some point. It is a totally different colour to the back (that in itself may not be problem as many kozuka are made from different alloy plates) but imo it is shibuichi judging from the backplate colour. Also the copper colour in the design looks weak…..but that could be a trick of the light. It is an amusing composition but not technically challenging. i don’t think it’s a modern fake I will leave the Mei to those that have far greater expertise than me. maybe ask seller what it is made from? his Haynes entry…..

Can you show a couple of high res images? (we cannot access yahoo auctions in uk)

If only the whole world could display similar “appreciations” to those expressed in this beautiful video. Thanks Jean.

It is worth bearing in mind that during Meiji (and into Taisho and even Showa) the demand for Japanese ivory carvings was massively fuelled by the export market. In response very high numbers of poorer quality pieces were produced quickly by workshops whose skills were nowhere near those of the carvers of preMeiji domestic pieces. The artistry is often very wooden and the detail and subtlety largely absent. However the demand was there and the customer base often lacked any real knowledge regarding “quality” and thus items such as Kirill shows us arrived in vast numbers. It is easy to jump to “modern Chinese” but imo many are Japanese…just mass produced quickly by unskilled artists. Without doubt (imo) many of the pieces on this thread could be argued both ways. Some are obviously modern, others…hmmmm. Sadly no treasures though.

Dani, your images are upside down. Get em the right way up and I’m sure you’ll get some comments.🙂

This gives some interesting info……. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitte