NihontoEurope Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 Hello, Does anyone of you guys know the school of these very nice fittings? My guess is Onin... The measurements varies a bit depending on where I measure around the rim: Thickness Rim top - 4.25mm Rim bottom - 4.6mm Rim left - 4.5mm Rim Right - 5.1mm Seppadai - 4.6mm Width Right to left - 70mm Top to bottom - 76mm Bottom of nagako-ana 7.3mm I can upload images on demand. The zip-file is 15 meg, but I reckon that bandwidth is no issue 2011 : ) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37236755/Mounts.zip /Martin Quote
Soshin Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 Hi Martin, I downloaded the ZIP and looked at the image files. The tsuba nor the fuchi and gashira look Onin. I was thinking more along the lines of Mino Kinko work circa the Edo Period. I would prefer others peoples opinions as to what the work is as Kinko isn't my focus of tosogu collecting. You might what to post a few image as I am sure some people may not what to download a ZIP file to their computer. Just a suggestion. Yours truly, David Stiles Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 2, 2011 Author Report Posted September 2, 2011 David, Thanks for the good advice! /Martin Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 Hi Martin,I have a Tsuba,which is nearly identical to yours!Look at the pic.Ludolf Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 2, 2011 Author Report Posted September 2, 2011 Ludolf, I think you copied mine and did a photoshop trick out of it. :D Incredible! Do you know anything about your Tsuba? /Martin Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 The rim is different and my piece has more stars on the backside.I have not yet tried to find the origin of my Tsuba.Mino or ??Ludolf Quote
Ludolf Richter Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 Here are both pieces.Ludolf Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 3, 2011 Author Report Posted September 3, 2011 Nicely done, Ludolf. /Martin Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 10, 2011 Author Report Posted September 10, 2011 Ludolf, If it is any help to you...my fitting passed Tokubetsu Hozon. /Martin Quote
Pete Klein Posted September 10, 2011 Report Posted September 10, 2011 It would be helpful to see the Tokubetsu hozon paper. Perhaps you could scan it and post it? Quote
k morita Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 Hi, Maybe,theme of those 2 Tsubas is from the historical novel of ancient China [Romance of the Three Kingdoms/Annals of the Three Kingdoms] 三国志. The theme of the tsuba: Emperor Liu Bei of Shu Han kingdom (蜀漢) visit Mr.Zhuge Liang( military strategist ) three times with special confidence . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of ... e_Kingdoms Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Posted September 11, 2011 Morita, An interesting Three Kingdom theory. I will read more about it. Did you get that information from looking at the tsuba or do you have some idea of which school it might be? About the Tokubetsu papers: 縁頭： 弁慶図 赤銅 魚子地 FUCHIKASHIRA: Figure of formidable man Alloy of copper and gold material Chasing with a pattern of thick millet grains pattern 目貫： 羽図 赤銅地 MENUKI: Figure of feather Alloy of copper and gold material 鍔： 唐人物図 赤銅 魚子地 TSUBA: Figure of old Chinese Alloy of copper and gold material Chasing with a pattern of thick millet grains pattern Nothing specific about the carving as such. /Martin Quote
k morita Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 Hi, Sorry, i don't know the school because I'm not a Tsuba guy. I think that the theme of your Tsuba is a scene that Emperor Liu Bei visits to Zhuge Liang 3 times by the highest courtesy. Your FUCHIKASHIRA is completely unrelated to the this China story. However,your Menuki may have relation with the theme of your Tsuba. Because Zhuge Liang always had a fan made from feather. So please show me a pic of your Menuki. Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Posted September 11, 2011 Morita, The complete set (unaltered) of pictures are housed here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37236755/Mounts.zip The Menuki as an attachment here (resized). An interesting story! Adding another picture with tsuba and scroll together. /Martin Quote
Pete Klein Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 Martin -- the school attribution is on the paper which is why I asked to see a scan of it. Also, the color the paper determines the rank. Peter Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Posted September 11, 2011 Peter, I'm sorry there is no information at all regarding the school or maker. I have checked thurally before posting This is what it says: 認 定 書 鍔： 唐人物図 赤銅 魚子地 目貫： 羽図 赤銅地 縁頭： 弁慶図 赤銅 魚子地 黒塗鞘 脇指拵 (intentionally left out from previous post). "Black lacquered sheath for koshirae" Leaving out the name of the previous owner and authoriser of the papers. The colour is green and TOKUBETSU KICHYO KODOGU. Issued 1970. If it is vital to have the paper uploaded I can do so, but not until Tuesday when I am back from holiday. /Martin Quote
k morita Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 Martin, Thank you for your pics. Oh,It's feather but not a fan. ummmm :lol: However, the theme of Tsuba is [Romance of the Three Kingdoms/Annals of the Three Kingdoms] 三国志. This an old China novel was loved very much from old times in Japan and China. Quote
Pete Klein Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 OK -- this makes more sense now. You stated the fitting(s) passed Tokubetsu Hozon which is not the same as Tokubetsu Kicho and which is what I had suspected. These are the old papers, your's being from 1970 from what you mentioned. Tokubetsu Hozon is a higher rank paper which started being issued in the early 1980's to present. The old equivalent was Koshu Tokubetsu Kicho paper which is sort of an aqua blue/green color with a dragon head in the background (the symbol of the NBTHK). Lack of an attribution basically says (inbetween the lines) that the fittings are Japanese. My feeling is the tsuba/FK are Hikone bori meaning they are from the Hikone area, like Soten, or in their style. I cannot see anything in the menuki to suggest a specific school. Thanks for the information! Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Posted September 11, 2011 Morita, Perhaps the original tsuba was replaced for this one or the other way around... I guess we will never know. Thanks for the interest. Perhaps this will lead me closer to the school now that I know the theme. /Martin Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Posted September 11, 2011 Peter, Thanks. My bad there : ) The Devil is in the details. /Martin Quote
christianmalterre Posted September 11, 2011 Report Posted September 11, 2011 Fully agree with Peter here-even i may be called a Tsuba guy perhaps-i hardly have to wonder about that "Tokubetsu Hozon"..Laugh At least i do not see what kind of school this shall be... Enlight me please Christian Quote
NihontoEurope Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Posted September 11, 2011 Christian, It was a suggestion that the tsuba might be "Mino Kinko work". I have no idea, but I will not give up on this one. Especially not now when it looks to be revealed that the theme of the tsuba has a historic event tied to it. All thanks to Morita-san : ) /Martin Quote
ububob Posted September 12, 2011 Report Posted September 12, 2011 Stories, legends, and folklore provide many themes for tsuba it's not unusual. Quote
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