A flat metal knot loop? ( or two )

[Neon-Toe]

Hi,

 

I've seen a couple of claimed wwii gunto's up for auction in the last couple of months in the UK, but to my untrained eye, the Kabuto-gane ( hope this is the correct term!) and the odd flattened top loops seemed off - I've attached two different examples. I only saw off as I couldn't see anything like this on any site showing lots of examples of wwii swords.

Quite enjoy reading about the more common fakes so would be interested to know if this is a common sign, or alternatively if it could be legitimate.

I didn't buy either so no urgency, purely curious! 

[Rawa]

Tsukamaki looks like made after alcohol

[Geraint]

Dear Fred.

 

From the images posted both of these look to be low quality reproductions.  Further images would help.

 

All the best.

[Neon-Toe]

Many thanks! This is the only other image I saved if it's of interest 

[Brian]

I think it's just field made. Could easily be wrong through.

[Rawa]

Tsuba looks like casted together with smaller tsuba with rays. Menuki bad made. Looks more like barn project made by amateur or cheap wallhanger.

[robinalexander]

17 hours ago, Neon-Toe said:

I didn't buy either so no urgency, purely curious

Hi Fred, 

 

Just my opinion, but I don't think you will regret not buying this.

 

The poor (flat) quality of the ashi ....same as the kabutogane and fuchi.  Looks like a Chinese knock off pretending to be a Type 97 Kai Gunto.

 

Interesting 'patina' on the samegawa but I suppose that can be done.

 

The tsuba and dai seppa also look naval style but pics aren't too clear.

 

In any event, it wouldn't get my money (but I have been wrong in the past ... a few times )

 

Would be good to see the nakago and blade if the opportunity ever arose. That should shed more light on it.

[Neon-Toe]

Many thanks for the replies! A part of me did wonder if I'd missed something, but glad it seems likely I didn't!

[Mister Gunto]

Never seen one like this. Very suspicious.