cisco-san Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Hallo, I intend to buy a Type 95 Army sword In general it look genuine - but the Kokura stamp makes me very confused :? I found a lot of stamps in my book, on the Web... - but no three cannonball stamp?! Therefore I would kindly ask for your opinion. Many thanks in advance. Quote
Bruno Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Hi! Yes this stamp exists, but I do not remember which one is it. Can you post several pics of your NCO? It will help us to see if it is guenine or not. Bruno Quote
loiner1965 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 its a Nagoya arsenal stamp.....machine made i believe Quote
cisco-san Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Posted October 24, 2009 .....attached some photos from the sword Quote
cisco-san Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Posted October 24, 2009 its a Nagoya arsenal stamp.....machine made i believe I found this Nagoya stamp Quote
Brian Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 I don't have the time right now to go and look at Dawson's book to verify this one, but i would be very cautious. I don't like where the hi starts, and the serial number or arsenal marks. Something makes me cautious about this one. It is also trying to be one of the scarce copper handled ones, so be doubly cautious. Maybe it is right...but there are a LOT of good fakes out there. Brian Quote
Tom Clancy Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 In my opinion I would pass this by, cannon balls not right, serial numbers not right, and the fuller should start almost at the habaki. Plus hilt is neither aluminium or copper. Tom Quote
IanB Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 I think the three interlocking circles is Tokyo Arsenal. Ian Bottomley Quote
Bruno Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Hello everyone! I read somewhere in a book(do not remember the title) that copper handle NCO where the first NCO model produced. Their serial number were from number 1 to number 5000(aproximately). Then, they started to produced the aluminium handle one. This NCO has a copper handle and serial number 50322, so I think the NCO is a chinese reproduction. It is only my opinion. I hope that help. Bruno Quote
Brian Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Klaus, Had a chance to check the Dawson book. I am now pretty certain that it is a bad fake. The arsenal marks are totally wrong, and the fuller is wrong. I would avoid this one. Brian Quote
cisco-san Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Posted October 24, 2009 Klaus,Had a chance to check the Dawson book. I am now pretty certain that it is a bad fake. The arsenal marks are totally wrong, and the fuller is wrong. I would avoid this one. Brian Dear Brian, many thanks for your comment. During the afternoon I checked also the Dawson book and came to the same conclusion because nothing matched and I think the hilt is brass. Sorry for that this stupid question (english is not my native language), but what is the fuller? @all: many thanks for helping me Quote
Brian Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Klaus, I'll tell you what fuller is, if you tell me what Muhlikuh is (More liquor?) Fuller = hi = groove in the blade. Brian Quote
loiner1965 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 http://www.swordsales.eu/Japanese-WW2-N ... senal.html here is a real one with the correct stamp....yours as been stamped wrong or its a copy Quote
cisco-san Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Posted October 24, 2009 Klaus, I'll tell you what fuller is, if you tell me what Muhlikuh is (More liquor?) Fuller = hi = groove in the blade. Brian Many thanks for explanation Concerning Muhlikuh :D This phrase should be a joke, even I know that not may people outside Austria understands it As you know almost the "whole world" is thinking that Austria is Australia or do not know where Austria is - even some members of the United Nations :? But now to the explanation of "Muhlikuh". We have a lot of cows in the Alps and one nickname of a cow in Austria is "Muhlikuh" ("Muhli" (Austrian dialekt) means cow and "Kuh" is the german word for a female cow). The spelling of "kuh" in german and "roo" in english is very similar. Yes I know this is an austrian joke and it´s maybe hard to understand if you don´t live in Austria I hope this helps to clear the fog Quote
Dave0258 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Klaus, Servus, Dawson's book points out that all Type 95 swords with a copper fuchi have 3 stamps. The one you are looking at appears to have only two, and is missing the corporate logo. The arsenal identification (Tokyo arsenal in this case, with 4 cannonballs) should be on the right, and the arsenal inpection mark (to) in the center. So I would classify this as a fake. Additionally, the 4 cannonball stamp seem to have some of the circles off-center. Based on the legitimate Type 30 bayonet I have (which also displays this stamp), this seems to be a sloppy reproduction. I doubt the arsenal at Tokyo had to stamp four eparate circles. My bet is they had a stamp with all four circles already set and spaced. I would stay away from this one. Too many things wrong. And despite living in Vienna, Austria for 3 years, I too am hoping to hear what a Muhlikuh is. I am embarassed to say I do not know. Nevermind. I just saw your explanation. I always did have problem with the Austrian dialects. Regards,, Dave Quote
cisco-san Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Posted October 24, 2009 Klaus,Servus, And despite living in Vienna, Austria for 3 years, I too am hoping to hear what a Muhlikuh is. I am embarassed to say I do not know. Nevermind. I just saw your explanation. I always did have problem with the Austrian dialects. Regards,, Dave Many thanks for helping me. I hope you had a good time in Vienna. Many people here in Vienna are from outside Vienna - so am I. I am from Styria (southern part of Austria) - where Arnold S. (I´ll be back) is from . As you know him, we have a very strong dialekt Quote
loiner1965 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 http://www.swordsales.eu/Japanese-WW2-NCOs-katana-nagoya-arsenal.htmlhere is a real one with the correct stamp....yours as been stamped wrong or its a copy oooops even this seller got it wrong as well as i....this is the tokyo arsenal stamp and not nagoya. i think they were around 13 different types of stamps that can be on these nco guntos Quote
loiner1965 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_077.htm from the link at the top of the page....wealth of knowlegde to gunto collectors Quote
cisco-san Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Posted October 24, 2009 http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_077.htmfrom the link at the top of the page....wealth of knowlegde to gunto collectors You are right, a wealth of knowledge. On this page I found the Nagoya stamp Quote
moss Posted October 25, 2009 Report Posted October 25, 2009 Absolutely no doubt that I agree with Brian. Stamps wrong and serial numbers in the range of Aluminium handle NCO. What kind of money are you looking to spend Cisco-san some good ones come up here in AUSTRALIA.? Cheers Moss Quote
cisco-san Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Posted October 25, 2009 What kind of money are you looking to spend Cisco-san some good ones come up here in AUSTRALIA.? Cheers Moss Many thanks for your offer but currently my wallet allows me to buy just a very cheap sword I always look for a Kotetsu, Muramasa.... for just a few bucks, but to be honest up to now I had no success kind greetings from Austia to Australia Quote
Weidas Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 this one is 200% fake. Have one alike from my beginner days, when i was jumping on everything which was referred to Japan without at least basic knowlage. Luckily i paid not too much for that junk... Quote
Weidas Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 and by the way this is quite poor fake - begining from fuller and finishing with mixing of both arsenals into one - number on blade is placed as Nagoya, inspection mark refers to Tokyo, arsenal mark on fuchi misses one more canonball, producer mark missing, drag on scabbard looks like of Tokyo... Forget it, Klaus Quote
David Price Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 Is it just me or does the "To" stamp on the fuchi look like it is photo-etched? Dave P Quote
Weidas Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 didn't go that far:) for me it was enough just to see general view Quote
cisco-san Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Posted October 27, 2009 ... Forget it, Klaus many thanks for helping me !! Quote
cisco-san Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Posted October 27, 2009 "sword" has been sold for 266,- Euro?! Quote
Weidas Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 someone will be very disapointed and frustrated soon... i paid ~$300 plus shipping. Somehow, my mind started to work after i transferred payment - why so cheap - normal price is 650 to 850?:) Quote
Brian Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 On this topic, I would be interested in any comments on these 3: http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=98016 My own (non-expert) opinion is that all 3 are fakes, but I was accused of interfering when i suggested that. :? Brian Quote
loiner1965 Posted October 28, 2009 Report Posted October 28, 2009 On this topic, I would be interested in any comments on these 3:http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=98016 My own (non-expert) opinion is that all 3 are fakes, but I was accused of interfering when i suggested that. :? Brian i think so too brian....he doesnt show them off right to be sure and i can only see 1 stamp on the fuchi and thats blurry....if they were cosher then i would certainly show off all the arsenal stamps clearly. Quote
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