Help Identity Our Mon.

[Rawa]

1 hour ago, Bruce Pennington said:

Was the kikusui used as a mon?  This is on a Type 98 fuchi, older mumei blade, at this Bradfords Auction

Page 246 of book I linked. Ask for traslation. Looking like nice source showing evolution.

If someone could explain/give some source to get knowledge about crests generally. 

[Bugyotsuji]

Yes, the Kikusui is a famous Mon/Kamon. It alludes to one of the most famous classical legends and is associated with Lord Kusunoki, inter alia.

 

33 says Kikusui, i.e. chrysanthemum and waters

34 says Kikusui with leaves, i.e. chrysanthemum and waters, with leaves.

[Bruce Pennington]

Wow, that was an extensive list of Mon!  I saw two Kiku, but none with sui, or none sitting on a river.

[Rawa]

4 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said:

Wow, that was an extensive list of Mon!  I saw two Kiku, but none with sui, or none sitting on a river.

It's last post on page 16 of this thread 5k examples.

 

[Bugyotsuji]

Yes Bruce the one you showed at the bottom of the previous page.

And look at these two:

 

[Rawa]

1 hour ago, Bugyotsuji said:

Yes Bruce the one you showed at the bottom of the previous page.

And look at these two:

 

Nr 33 Its your mon. Page 246 @Bruce Pennington

[Bruce Pennington]

Thanks guys!  You nailed it.

 

So, the owner likely used it as a tip-o-the-hat to Lord Kusunoki, or his family, like thousands of others, adopted the mon for their own.

The add for the auction claims the swords was from the Minatogawa shrine, I'm sure, based solely upon the fact that the shrine used the kikusui.

 

Thanks for the enlightenment, gents.

[uwe]

During the Edo period the "竹村家" (Takemura family) used this mon. Allegdely descendants of Kusunoki Masashige from Takeuchi in Yamato...