KANTEI QUIZZ N°8

[takakage]

http://www.aoi-art.com/kantei/kantei08.html

 

Sorry Jean

 

 

is naomichi/kanemichi of shinto settsu mishina can match ?

 

 

have a nice day.

[Brian]

Are we looking at Osaka Shinto here?

 

Brian

[Jacques]

 

 

 

is naomichi/kanemichi of shinto settsu mishina can match ?

 

 

have a nice day.

 

Patrick,

 

Kane/Naomichi added a kanji ichi with his kikkumon and the tip of the petals is more rounded.

[sabiji]

I think Echizen Kami Nobuyoshi.

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

I think Echizen Kami Nobuyoshi.

 

 

Think also Echizen no kami Minamoto** Nobuyoshi.

 

 

 

edit:

 

** = Rai

[Jean]

Thank Patrick to have post it.

 

I have not much time available as I am leaving on holidays next week for 2 weeks and must prepare my moving foreseen on the 15th of September.

[Guido]

... and must prepare my moving foreseen on the 15th of September.

Are you going to join me in China? :lol:

[Eric H]

Marked difference between motohaba and kissakihaba and slight sori suggests Kambun Shinto. First I focussed on Nidai "Monju" Shigekuni, but the mates who named rapidly Tango no Kami Kanemichi and Takai Echizen no Kami Nobuyoshi, both wit Kiku on their blades are better choice. A bit confusing at least for me is the yasurime described to be kattesagari - imho it's rather sujikai (or do I need new glasses ?)

 

I guess it's Nobuyoshi

 

Eric

[Jean]

Guido wrote :

Are you going to join me in China?

 

I wish I were, much lzqq exciting, we are my wife and I, going to take over my mother flat near the Tour Eiffel (just to make you dream - I have lost the excitement decades ago).

 

We have thousands of little things too fragile to let them to professionnal movers (Lalique, Daum, silverware, paintings and above all my different collections - Tsuba - Swords -Katanakake - fire arms ...) In fact, I am feeling like an ant carrying without endlessly things from a point to another. :D :D :D

[takakage]

in spite yasuri mei.........but due to yakidashi and boshi and seems to me masame in shinogi ji you could be atari for nobuyoshi

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

A bit confusing at least for me is the yasurime described to be kattesagari - imho it's rather sujikai (or do I need new glasses ?)

 

Eric, you don't need new glasses yasurime are sujikai on the picture like those of Rai Nobuyoshi, description seems mistaken.

[Brian]

Another vote for Rai Nobuyoshi. I actually posted that on the first day, and then deleted it to go home and study the boshi a bit more. My loss.... :lol:

Yakidashi is one of the big clues in this case.

 

Brian

[Jean]

Jacques wrote :

Kane/Naomichi added a kanji ichi with his kikkumon

 

An old friend told me that from the picture, the ichi stroke could have been masked too.

 

I just had a look and it seems possible. What do your eyes see?

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

That's possible, Rai Nobuyoshi added sometimes kanji Ichi, but if it is... what for?

[Darcy]

I had a conversation with another collector about the Ichi. In San Francisco I took in four swords, and my oshigata master and I did kantei on three of them (the fourth had a sayagaki which gave it away to me).

 

We were in a dark room for photography so what we mostly had to go on was the hamon. My three answers were: "maybe Rai Kunitoshi, but could be a really, really, really good Enju", "Nanbokucho period Bizen Omiya", and "Ichimonji." The blades revealed themselves to be a "really, really, really good Enju", a Chogi (not so far off, if I could see the jihada better maybe could have gone closer), and a Shinto Hizen Yukihiro (gawp, soooo far wrong).

 

But checking the signature out, he not only put an Ichi above his signature, he took the character out of line of the rest of the mei and put it centered in the nakago. Going back to my own writeup on Hizen Yukihiro:

 

... after achieving the Kami title, he sometimes utilizes the Ichi character. Though the reasons for this are speculated, there does exist a piece signed Hizen Ichi-mon-ji, so it is thought that he studied and practiced some of the techniques related to this school, and perhaps signifies when they are used with the Ichi character.

 

At the show I went back and brought it up with the owner, told him when I did kantei I said it was an Ichimonji and got it really wrong, but noted the Ichi and speculated (forgetting my own research) that the smith was not only noting that he was emulating Ichimonji, but that since they were so precise with the mei, by taking this one character out of alignment he was really specifying that in his opinion he achieved his goal and hit a home run.

 

I don't know if this holds for everyone using the Ichi character, but perhaps it does extend somewhat. Something to think about anyway, because it's hopefully not an accident that a middle level student can look at a hamon and say it's an Ichimonji and then look at the nakago and the smith conspicuously puts Ichi there for you to read.

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

 

All-interesting , thanks Darcy :D

[Darcy]

Oh by the way finally got around to looking at the sword.

 

Agree: Echizen Kami Nobuyoshi.

 

The Ichi is clearly visible under the kiku mon. Crummy photoshop job.

[Jean]

ANSWER

 

 

 

Echizen no kami Minamoto Rai Nobuyoshi.

 

Nakago: On the tang, kikumon is engraved.

Fail:Kattesagari.

Nakagojiri: typical Nobuyoshi style.

Jigane:Koitame hada well grained with jinie attach which is beautiful jigane.

Hamon:From the hamachi area, suguha hamon and then gunome midare like toranba style.

Inside of the hamon, subagashi work.

This Toranba hamon is different from Sukehiro and other sword smith.

Because insside of the hamon has a lot of sunagashi.

 

Special feature : Echizen no kami Minamoto Rai Nobuyoshi was a son

of first genertation Kyo Shinano kami Nobuyoshi.

And his real name was Takai Kinsaburou.

He was strongly influenced by Sukehiro and Inoue Shinkai.

And his strong points are Touranba-Hamon and Suguha with deep Nioikuchi.

He has some signature “Echizen no kami Minamoto Nobuyoshi” , “Nyu-do Minamoto Rai Nobuyoshi” ,

“Takai Echizen no kami Minamoto no Nobuyoshi”.

He moved to Osaka pref in his late life and made Sword at there.

It’s felt that this Katana was made in his late life, because there is “Kikumon Ichi” in signature.

 

Congratulations for the lot of Atari

[Jacques]

Hi,

 

Why hide only the kanji ichi? he could be hide the kiku mon too and the kantei would have been more interesting; that seems ridiculous. Really, i don't like this kind of kantei.

[Brian]

Why ask us, why not ask him?

Luckily in this free world of ours, if you don't like it, you aren't forced at gunpoint to participate

 

Brian