Anything odd with this tsuba

[kissakai]

Hi

A really basic tsuba that may be by Kiyoshige (swordsmith)

 

Does it look OK?

 

 

 

 

Grev UK

[christianmalterre]

looks not O.K.

1.you posted reverse side-

2.mei(and i doupt it´s authentic)are not found on Tosho Tsuba.(especially not on left side of hitsu and on reverse side)

such-obviously latter addition.

Hitsu-ana looks correct-

Patina is not real-this one got repatinated...

do not buy it,what shall i say else?

 

Christian

[kissakai]

Hi Christian

I think you have said all there to say

Poor mei

I wasn't sure of the patination and still find it difficult to be sure (more experience required)

This was the main reason I posted it on the site

 

 

Thanks

Grev

[ROKUJURO]

Grev,

 

the TSUBA does not have the dimensions of a TOSHO and it is signed (on the wrong side), so why should it be a TOSHO? Perhaps it is just a plain and simple EDO JIDAI TSUBA, possibly painted/repatinated. The lack of a decoration does not make it a TOSHO, I think.

[MauroP]

Hi Grev,

in “collaborative tsuba” during late Edo period the maker of the tsuba plate used to sign on ura side, while the signature on omote side was reserved to artisan responsible for decoration (carved or inlayed with soft metals). So the plain tsuba could be an unfinished piece. Just my 2 pence guess.

Bye, Mauro

[kissakai]

Thanks for your replies

Jean is there shortcut answer to why the dimensions are incorrect?

 

Thanks Mauro for your opinion I had not heard about this possible reason for the mei on the 'wrong' side, although it is poorly cut

 

I know there is little value in this item but it has taught me a bit more.

I'd love to be able to spot a repatinated item but as usual exerience, handling & good reference material is key

I will re-read about Tosho tsuba

 

 

Grev UK

[ROKUJURO]

Grev,

 

the comparison of the NAKAGO ANA and the KOZUKA HITSU to the overall dimensions leads me to believe that this TSUBA is not larger than about 75 mm, perhaps even smaller. KO-TOSHO TSUBA had a tendency to have at least 80 mm diameter and no HITSU, so it is probably not 'KO', but maybe TOSHO style made later in EDO JIDAI.

 

While your TSUBA looks rather thin, the originals had only 3 to 1.5 mm thickness. As mentioned, there is a possibility that it was made to be decorated later or by another artist.

 

I don't dislike this TSUBA at all, it certainly has it's age and interesting history, but it may represent some work to bring it back to the original appearence. If more of the steel quality becomes visible, it may be a nice and appealing one!

[kissakai]

Hi Jean

The dimensions are:

73 x 70 x 3.5mm

Always amazed at the knowledge available on this message board

 

 

Grev UK