DirkO Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 It's a pity that none of the normal Proxies (YAC,...) don't want to deal with nihonto, because sometimes something really worthwhile pops up. http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r105221663 more pics here: http://hpcgi3.nifty.com/bugu/view126.cgi The end price won't be for the faint hearted.... Quote
Stephen Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 thats some eye candy, suguha at its best. Kaneaki right? Quote
cabowen Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 Hmmmm...I would be very cautious...Here's a Juyo ko-aoe for comparison: Quote
peter Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 Hello ALL can anyone register and bid on that site or is there a lot more to it? Peter Quote
Robert Mormile Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 Peter: Yahoo Japan Auctions are similar to ebay. Many auctions on Yahoo Japan are as this one is "海外発送 対応しません " meaning that they will not ship overseas. With many of these auctions, you may register and bid but remember that in the case of this sword (as it is Juyo Bijutsu Hin) it is for most intents and purposes illegal to remove it from the country of Japan. It is legal for anyone to own just not to remove from the country. Robert Quote
cabowen Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 It's prewar......not sure if that applies???? Quote
Robert Mormile Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 Chris: I know of one sword (can’t remember if it is Jyu-bi or Jyu-bun) that resides outside of Japan but am not sure if it departed Japan with the approval of the Monbusho or not. Of course, swords of this level can leave Japan for exhibition or auction but even the auction houses site that the items can be viewed in New York, custody must be taken in Japan. Do you know of any swords that were permitted exit based on the fact that they were pre-war certificates? Robert Quote
cabowen Posted August 6, 2013 Report Posted August 6, 2013 I am not sure if pre-war certified swords are forbidden from export from Japan. I know of a few in the US that were brought here right after the war. Frankly, I have serious doubts about this sword being ko-aoe. The hamon is rather devoid of activity, unlike most Aoe blades I have seen. If it really is what is claimed, I would expect to see the price reach 6 figures without any difficulty, and I'm talking US$, not yen... Quote
Stephen Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 when seen this AM it was around 37K..or round abouts by removing two 0's now 40K....will be a nice watch to see where it goes. Quote
Robert Mormile Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 Chris: Yeah, it should do six figures based on the paper along but I wouldn’t expect any pre-2007 Kurokawa prices either. These photos are pretty horrible; they should have been taken professionally. I understand that chirimen-hada is difficult to photograph but other than the 1cm hataraki it is difficult to see what might be lying in and around the nioi-guchi. One overall sugata photo would be helpful in determining if this is really ko-aoe or not. I would expect to see a slightly deeper sori and smaller kissaki but of course it is suriage. One thing the sword seems to have on its side is health, only wish the photos displayed the finer details. As we know, seeing (not looking at) swords is very much a first-hand experience. Robert Quote
cabowen Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 My issue is with the nioi-guchi....It looks nearly featureless. There is nothing going on like one would expect with Aoe...While hard to see, the hada looks featureless as well. These types of papers are easily faked or swords can be doctored to match them. Auction sword: Juto Ko=Aoe: Quote
pcfarrar Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 The nakago patina looks a bit iffy too: Quote
Stephen Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 dont read Japanese, was the auction pulled or did it end? Quote
pcfarrar Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 dont read Japanese, was the auction pulled or did it end? Auction is still going with 5+ days to go. Quote
Stephen Posted August 7, 2013 Report Posted August 7, 2013 well it didnt show this AM before i went to the Y, now its back and at the price when the OP showed it...wonder if the bid retraction was because of the thread? Quote
CSM101 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 Is it over now? 0 days left and something I can´t read at all. Uwe G. Quote
Stephen Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 scrolled down and seen this ..sold? 商品説明を読む 現在の価格 ： 3,703,000 円 残り時間 ： 終了 （詳細な残り時間） 入札件数 ： 0 （入札履歴） Quote
cabowen Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 Looks like it was stopped. Wonder why...... Quote
DirkO Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Posted August 8, 2013 not the first time something gets pulled from Yahoo Auctions only to reappear a few days later - also when they had a private offline bid, they can stop and cancel the auction as well - although some doubts were expressed on this forum, a lot of people were willing to gamble a lot of money on this one Quote
cabowen Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 Ever heard of shill bidding? It is rampant on many Japanese, and other, online auctions. Quote
DirkO Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Posted August 8, 2013 Sure, but I think it has reappeared: http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d144131128 Once again, a huge amount of bids, but nowhere near the old price.... Quote
cabowen Posted August 8, 2013 Report Posted August 8, 2013 Shill bidding at its finest.....This whole thing smells really bad.... Quote
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