NihontoEurope Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 Hello all, I received an attribution after a submission to NBTHK. Mino Senjuin 美濃 千手院 What I'm not so sure about is the way the attributions are made. When the attribution is made to a School, how will it appear in the text? In this case I received Province and School, I believe. Giving everything the benefit of the doubt, it might as well be Province and Smith. It is not known to me how it is presented and therefore I'm in doubt. What is CONFIRMED the syntax they use? /Martin Quote
John A Stuart Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 Just as it says, the Senjuin ha in Mino, Akasaka Senjuin. They are not committing to a specific smith. A very hard group to distinguish individuals. John Quote
paulb Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 Martin, can you post a scan of the paper? Mino Senjuin is a school rather than province and smith a little like Yamato Shizu or Naoe Shizu It is a mino school with roots in the Yamato Senjuin tradition. Quote
NihontoEurope Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Posted March 16, 2013 Thx John, I assumed likewise, but you never know. Appreciated. [attachment=0]SENJUIN.jpg[/attachment] /Martin Quote
NihontoEurope Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Posted March 16, 2013 Paul, Lucky hit... I posted as you posted There was 2 smiths with the name Senjuin - Shodai and Nidai. /Martin Quote
John A Stuart Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 True, but, as it is mumei I think not smith specific. Sure, I may be wrong. It would have helped if we could be sure with an added ha or den or kei. Without that, it is interpretive. John Quote
NihontoEurope Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Posted March 16, 2013 Just for the fun of it, I will submit it to another organisation. /Martin Quote
John A Stuart Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 Have you posted pics of it before? If not it would be nice to see it. Senjuin ha is a fundamental school. John Quote
NihontoEurope Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Posted March 16, 2013 John and Paul, No pics posted. The blade is in Japan now (whereas I'm not at the moment) and with some luck I'm able to take some photos before/between submission or shipment. I don't know if I'm able to bring it with me as I go back. Timing is the key. It's either 3 weeks or 4 months : ( I will post pictures of it. /Martin Quote
Pete Klein Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 Ed has a good explanation: http://yakiba.com/ken_sejuin.htm Quote
NihontoEurope Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Posted March 16, 2013 Thx Pete. Same attribution. /Martin Quote
Pete Klein Posted March 16, 2013 Report Posted March 16, 2013 My Pleasure. You might want to take a look at this post: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15350&p=134790#p134790 It gives some ideas as to how fittings are ranked on origami and swords also have these ranks but of course with their own schools/names. Quote
chrstphr Posted May 5, 2013 Report Posted May 5, 2013 I also have a Mino Senjuin NBTHK hozon sword. I have seen perhaps 3 or 4. They are not so common. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12301&st=0&sk=t&sd=a http://s2.photobucket.com/user/chrstphr ... t=6&page=1 http://www.yakiba.com/Katana_Mino_Senjuin.htm Chris Quote
cuttingedge59 Posted May 9, 2013 Report Posted May 9, 2013 Hi I also have a Tachi with NBTHK attribution papers to Mino Senjuin . Good to see something else similar in regards to the papers. Chris Quote
NihontoEurope Posted July 5, 2013 Author Report Posted July 5, 2013 Hello, I received the second set of paper along with the sword today. The second shinsa judged it to: 濃州住人千手院作 of Bunmei era. So, same attribution then. /Martin Quote
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