Guest Jon Bradbeer Posted March 5, 2013 Report Posted March 5, 2013 Dear All, I am hoping someone could i.d this piece. Not my usual collecting field, but the opportunity came up. It is similar to the Taiwan occupation sabers, as one can see. Nothing exactly similar in the first edition Fuller & Gregory book I have, and I don't have the Jim Dawson book yet. The blade is stainless or chromed steel. Apologies for slightly substandard pics! Any info much appreciated, many thanks :D Jon B Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted March 6, 2013 Report Posted March 6, 2013 A hannin level Nanyo (south seas) sword from prox 1919. Quote
Brian Posted March 7, 2013 Report Posted March 7, 2013 Well done Thomas, This is way out of most of our zones. Btw..great collection of Kai Gunto in that WA forum post Brian Quote
Jon MB Posted March 7, 2013 Report Posted March 7, 2013 This wonderful forum is a fount of knowledge! Thanks going out to Thomas! Very useful info. Here is a Wikipedia link for a quick background check on the Japanese mandate in the South Pacific. One of the early bricks in the Japanese Empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pacific_Mandate I posted using my old user name, thanks to Brian for helping me out in getting my old user name back. Jonathan B Quote
george trotter Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 This wonderful forum is a fount of knowledge! Sometimes it's more of a trickle than a fountain though... Gunto san, what was your info source? Brian dono, what is a WA forum? It helps to be a bit more informative... Thanks, Quote
Brian Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Sometimes it's more of a trickle than a fountain though... May I suggest a good urologist? :? Brian dono, what is a WA forum? Not really a sword forum, but sometimes there are queries worth answering. http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... y.php?f=59 I was refering to this post: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... p?t=657037 However seems I confused Stu (who is also a member here) with Thomas. Brian Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Gunto san, what was your info source? Jim Dawson' last book. Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted March 8, 2013 Report Posted March 8, 2013 Not really a sword forum, but sometimes there are queries worth answering. http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... y.php?f=59 I was refering to this post: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... p?t=657037 However seems I confused Stu (who is also a member here) with Thomas. Brian No problem. :D Quote
Hayabusa Posted March 10, 2013 Report Posted March 10, 2013 It's actually in the wrong scabbard hannin level Nan'yo swords have a distinct u shaped cut out and sonin have fleur de lis , this looks like a naval scabbard Would still like it though :D Quote
Jon MB Posted March 13, 2013 Report Posted March 13, 2013 Hayabusa, thanks for the comment. Could you cite some evidence supporting the idea that the scabbard is not original? The fit is good and the wear to the gilt is the same on both sword and scabbard. I seem to recall other similar pieces, for example Japanese colonial swords from Korea, having the same scabbard type as this. And, as you know, there are sometime variations over time with these things. Thanks, Jon M Quote
drdata Posted March 13, 2013 Report Posted March 13, 2013 I cannot recall where I found the attached on Taiwan colonial, but to me it seems to show the saya matches. Quote
Jon MB Posted March 14, 2013 Report Posted March 14, 2013 Very interesting document. Thanks Harry! Jon MB Quote
Kai-Gunto Posted March 14, 2013 Report Posted March 14, 2013 The swords and dirks on the illustration has the emblem of Taiwan. Quote
Hayabusa Posted March 14, 2013 Report Posted March 14, 2013 Hayabusa, thanks for the comment. Could you cite some evidence supporting the idea that the scabbard is not original? Considering the south sea islands were completely controlled by the Japanese navy for over six years it's not to surprising to find anything in naval mounts Tried to load photos but I can't for some reason so I have emailed them to you Quote
Hayabusa Posted March 14, 2013 Report Posted March 14, 2013 It's only the nan'jo that have the cut out , most of the other colonial swords are very similar Quote
Jon MB Posted March 15, 2013 Report Posted March 15, 2013 Pics kindly sent by Hayabusa. I will buy this great looking book! (Jim Dawson's) Hayabusa, maybe you are right. I am reluctant to agree, but I have no counter evidence at present ! Your theory of course is perfectly logical. I still point out the variations in patterns over time, as demonstrated by the red rayskin grip on the saber in the first illustration, (although this is of course not quite the same, as that could simply have been a 'luxury' option upon purchase). Many thanks! Jon MB Quote
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