Nazar Posted July 27 Report Posted July 27 This topic reminded me of my very first Japanese Navy dirk I bought on a local internet auction. It turned out to be assembly: saya from one dirk, blade from another and all other parts from third dirk. However, the habaki, the tsuka and all that in between belonged to one dirk and was made by Suya Shoten with every part marked 144. Here are some photos. Initially I misread the scratches on habaki, reading them as IIIII + IIII, but looking closer I understood it's X + IIII + IIII. 144 scratched on seppa and fuchi and painted on tsuka wood. 1 1 Quote
John C Posted July 27 Report Posted July 27 8 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: use lower grade steel This is what I was thinking as the most likely scenario. Running out of tamahagane so using "regular" sword steel. John C. Quote
BANGBANGSAN Posted July 27 Report Posted July 27 On 7/25/2026 at 7:32 AM, John C said: @Bruce Pennington Here's a slightly better comparison. I think it is a pretty good match. But I defer to you, Thomas, Trystan, and John for final analysis. Could be the first "special" one you have on record, correct? Moving on the assumption this is a special consideration sword, the next question is why? Maybe not made from tamahagane or maybe just too long or heavy (it has some weight to it.) I'll do some measurements. In any case, there has to be some reason it would receive arsenal inspection marks but no star. John C. Here is another 特 special marking on the tang. Per military inspection marking regulations, the designation 特 “Special” means: Adopted for special procurement pursuant to Article 11 of the Weapons Acceptance Inspection Regulations. 3 1 Quote
John C Posted July 27 Report Posted July 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, BANGBANGSAN said: Article 11 of the Weapons Acceptance Inspection Regulations. Thank you, Trystan. Would you happen to know what specific regs were contained in article 11 (and Clause 2)? @Bruce Pennington Bruce: For your records, note that both stamps (Toku and 2) are on the mune as well. Two is not a pattern but we're getting there. John C. Edited July 27 by John C Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted July 28 Report Posted July 28 9 hours ago, John C said: note that both stamps (Toku and 2) are on the mune as well. If that second stamp is a 2, I agree, but dang, I sure can't see a 2 in that mark. I've had that one listed under "unknown" for a while. Quote
BANGBANGSAN Posted July 29 Report Posted July 29 On 7/28/2026 at 4:50 AM, John C said: Would you happen to know what specific regs were contained in article 11 (and Clause 2)? Thomas might help you find the answer. Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted July 29 Report Posted July 29 Speaking of "Toku", I've found another in my files, so 3 now. Seki Toku Unknown Seki Toku 1 ('43 Sadatsugu) Na Toku 2 ('44 Kanehide) I'm starting to think the "unknown" on the first one is a poorly struk "1" Quote
BANGBANGSAN Posted July 30 Report Posted July 30 18 hours ago, Bruce Pennington said: Speaking of "Toku", I've found another in my files, so 3 now. Seki Toku Unknown Seki Toku 1 ('43 Sadatsugu) Na Toku 2 ('44 Kanehide) I'm starting to think the "unknown" on the first one is a poorly struk "1" The first one is the same one that I post 1 Quote
John C Posted July 31 Report Posted July 31 @Bruce Pennington Bruce: Should we do a call out to all members to check their mune and look specifically for the Toku stamp? It may be interesting to see 1) how many are gendaito a) star stamped, and b) non-star stamped; 2) how many showato or other (i.e type 97, Koa, Zoheito, etc), 3) type of arsenal stamps (seki, nagoya, etc), and 4) any obvious flaws that may indicate why the stamp was given. Just a thougt on figuring out the percentage of overall blades in the field given this designation and the reasons why it was given. John C. Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted July 31 Report Posted July 31 Ok, let's try it. I'll post it as a pinned thread and see what we get. Quote
Scogg Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 On 4/16/2026 at 6:52 AM, Scogg said: For comparison. I once owned a blade signed Osawa Kanehisa with seki stamp and kokuin. I sold it a couple years ago, but I always thought it was a relatively well made showato. -Sam Another example signed Osawa Kanehisa with large seki stamp and kokuin, found here: https://www.ima-usa.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/original-Japanese-wwii-type-98-shin-gunto-handmade-katana-sword-by-osawa-kanehisa-with-aluminum-scabbard 1 Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 11 hours ago, Scogg said: Osawa Kanehisa Thanks Sam, good one! 1 Quote
Scogg Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 I have a bit of an interest in Osawa Kanehisa, as I once owned a blade by him and sold it to a friend. I notice there is not a ton of information about him, and I found that a little unusual for someone who signs with a kokuin. Since I had that blade, I think I've seen 3 more swords signed by him with kokuin. Some with longer signature than others as can be seen in my quote + image/link above. Another for the data pool Quote
Bruce Pennington Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 17 minutes ago, Scogg said: 3 more swords signed by him with kokuin. I have 9 on file with kokuin, and 6 others without it, all stamped with Showa or Seki. If you want photos, I could send via email. 1 1 Quote
Scogg Posted August 25 Report Posted August 25 22 minutes ago, Bruce Pennington said: I have 9 on file with kokuin, and 6 others without it, all stamped with Showa or Seki. If you want photos, I could send via email. That would be awesome, Bruce! Thank you. The person I sold the sword to is one of the PNW club members. It would be great to share with him some additional information / data on Osawa Kanehisa. Best, -Sam 1 Quote
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