SteveM Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 I think the missing character you refer to is Rai (来), which the 4 generations of Izumi-no-kami Kinmichi smiths used in their name, so the usual mei is Izumi-no-kami Rai Kinmichi, which makes the mei on your sword an outlier. Of the 4 generations, the mei on yours kind of resembles the 3rd generation (late 1600s). I don't know if the lack of "Rai" automatically indicates a fake signature, but...the sword world doesn't much like outliers. Be that as it may, and ignoring the signature, the sword itself looks OK - I mean it looks like a well-made Japanese sword probably from that time period of late 1600s - 1700s. 2 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 My impression is that the YOKOTE is not in the correct place. Quote
John C Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 James: In addition to the signature, I would look at the kikumon (the chrysanthemum). When Mike posted the sword, I looked at the kiku briefly and, in my opinion, does not look anything like a Kinmichi kiku. But fake signatures are not a deal breaker. If you like the sword, enjoy the blade and disregard the signature. John C. Quote
klee Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) Unpapered komonjo blades are almost always gimei but it s a nice looking blade regardless. Im not a shinto person but I always recall kinimichi kiku mon being very intricately and beautifully done. The one on this one looks a bit strange. If im not mistaked, faking a mon was a serious offense punishable by death Edited January 21 by klee 1 Quote
J Ambrose Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 Thank all of you for your comments, they are much appreciated. Mike (komonjo) told me to always assume an unpapered sword is gimei, until proven otherwise. I’m okay with keeping this sword, even if it’s gimei. What I seek in this forum is that proof. Though a rank novice “collector” of Japanese swords, I have avidly collected other types of edged weapons for over 50 years. With nothing but my “spidey sense”, I have a hope this mei is genuine. Regarding the absence of the Rai, I was silly enough to ask “AI” . Here’s what the robot said: “Signature Variations of Izumi-no-Kami Fujiwara Kinmichi Common Signatures The swordsmith Izumi-no-Kami Fujiwara Kinmichi, particularly in his first generation, is known for several signature styles. The most recognized include: Izumi-no-Kami Kinmichi (和泉守金道) Fujiwara Rai Kinmichi (藤原来金道) Use of "Rai" in Signatures The term "Rai" in his name signifies his connection to the traditional Rai-style of swordsmithing. It is important to note that: The first generation Kinmichi often used "Rai" in his signatures to highlight his lineage and craftsmanship. The use of "Rai" was a significant aspect of his identity as a swordsmith. Instances of Exclusion While the "Rai" designation is prevalent, there are instances where the signature may not include "Rai." However, these cases are less common and typically occur in specific contexts or variations of his work. In summary, while the "Rai" is a key part of his identity, there may be rare exceptions where it is omitted, but these are not the standard practice for his mei.” Regarding the atypical chrysanthemum, I lifted this from a commenter on the WAF Forum: I checked Markus Sesko's swordsmith list and found an interesting post on the second son of Kanemichi and that smiths son: "KINMICHI (金道), 1st gen., Keichō (慶長, 1596-1615), Yamashiro – “Echigo no Kami Fujiwara Kinmichi” (越後守藤原金道), “Fujiwara Rai Kinmichi” (藤原来金道), second son of Kanemichi (兼道), he tried to revive the Rai school and used therefore the supplement “Rai” in his signatures, according to the genealogy of the Mishina family, he received the honorary title “=Izumi no Kami= (和泉守) on the seventh day of the twelfth month Bunroku four (文禄, 1595) but we only know blades that are signed with the title Echigo no Kami, the honorary title Izumi no Kami was only in use from the 2nd gen. onwards, some sources list the 1st gen. also with the signature “Izumi no Kami Rai Kinmichi” but this should be considered as mistake, he died on the seventh day of the twelfth month Keichō five (慶長, 1600), jō-saku KINMICHI (金道), 2nd gen., Kan´ei (寛永, 1624-1644), Yamashiro – “Izumi no Kami Rai Kinmichi” (和泉守来金道), “Fujiwara Rai Kinmichi” (藤原来金道), “Daihōshi Hokkyō Rai Kinmichi” (大法師法橋来金道), “Daihōshi Hokkyō Rai Eisen” (大法師法橋来栄泉), he received the honorary title Izumi no Kami on the sixth day of the fifth month Genna two (元和, 1616), later he entered priesthood and took the gō Eisen (栄泉), his Buddhist priest-rank was that of a hokkyō, he carved also a chrysanthemum and a chrysanthemum on a branch onto his tangs, gunome-midare, wazamono, jō-saku" Is it possible to look at photos of this mei, as well as its file marks, hamon, etc… to see if there is some other disqualifying feature that prevents this sword’s mei from being authentic? Or must it be personally handled by an expert? Thanks again for your comments, J Ambrose Quote
John C Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 The only way to know for sure is to send the sword to shinsa. If it gets papered, then you can be confident. John C. Quote
Brian Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 You can be pretty sure it's gimei. Komonjo's source in Japan would only be exporting swords that were already tested there. These aren't USA sourced swords. I'd say any real feelings that it's shoshin are likely misplaced. That said, it looks like a decent sword. 2 1 Quote
Jacques Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 Let's be clear, this is not a kikumon but an Eda kikumon 'not well made). Quote
J Ambrose Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 I am grateful to all who have commented concerning my sword, which I will be keeping, whether or not it is gimei. Comments like yours are just what I need as I begin to purchase these type swords. I plan to post at least one other sword soon. Thank you, J Ambrose Quote
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