O koumori Posted February 13, 2010 Report Posted February 13, 2010 Has anyone ever seen a “pure” yahazu hamon? I’ve never seen straight yahazu before - only mixed with other patterns - this one has me puzzled. I’m guessing later Mino, probably Shinto, but who? 51.4 cm nagasa, nakago has been “cleaned,” higake yasurime on the omote, kiri on the ura. Mumei. Any thoughts / comments would be much appreciated. Regards, Dan K. Quote
Toryu2020 Posted February 16, 2010 Report Posted February 16, 2010 Dan - What are you seeing in the jigane? Masame above the shinogi? -t Quote
O koumori Posted February 16, 2010 Author Report Posted February 16, 2010 Hello Tom, Yes, masame above the shinogi. The hira looks to be O mokume mixed with masame, becoming mostly masame at the yakiba. There is sunagashi and a few kinsiji that generally follow the line of the suguha portion of the hamon right through the base of the yahazu. Dan Quote
Jacques Posted February 16, 2010 Report Posted February 16, 2010 Hi, I would call this kind of hamon hako-midare in place of yahasu but its only my personal point of view. Quote
Jean Posted February 16, 2010 Report Posted February 16, 2010 Typical yahazu (encoche de flèche), I have seen it already on Robert Burawoy's Muramasa tanto Quote
Jean Posted February 16, 2010 Report Posted February 16, 2010 yahazu 矢筈 Hamon type resembling arrow notches or a fishtail hako midare 箱乱 Uneven box shaped hamon NMB members shall decide which one suits best their taste Quote
John A Stuart Posted February 16, 2010 Report Posted February 16, 2010 I agree with Dan et al. that this is a very regular yahazuba and with his further description of the hada that the sword is likely a Mino Shinto. Defining almost perfectly the attributions you would expect to see. John Quote
Toryu2020 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Dan - My immediate reaction was Kaga Kanewaka but I am often way off the mark. Certainly shinto and related to Mino I would look at Kanewaka and perhaps Kanefusa. Can't say I have seen a lot of shinto Seki work, so I couldn't rule them out but would expect to see togari-ba somewhere... -t Quote
Jacques Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Hi, Certainly shinto Higaki yasrurime are very rare in Shinto Era thery are found (in principle) only on Satsuma blades. Quote
John A Stuart Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Etchu no Kami Kanewaka I and II, III particularly noted for their hakomidare with the intervals on very straight suguba. They are just the smiths I would expect to see using yahazuba like this sword. Nagayama Kokan says that it can be found on sue-Seki Koto, but, I've never seen examples of it that isn't mixed in with other features like gunomechoji or gunomemidare, however, and had always thought of it as a fairly rare sub-genre of hakomidare found primarily on Mino Shinto. Of course I haven't seen the Muramasa refered to earlier. The top oshigata of Jacques has a komaru sugu boshi just as the Kanewaka made. Jacques, of what swords are those oshigata? Maybe he is confusing sujikai with higaki. John Quote
O koumori Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Posted February 17, 2010 Hello, Thanks to all for responding. I will check out Kanewaka. I have not seen the Muramasa being discussed, but there is an oshigata of a second gen. with yahazu gunome in Art and the Sword Vol.8 on page 25. The nakago on this wak would rule this out. Nagayama shows yahazu midare on a Odawara Soshu tanto on page 204, but the hamon is not regular as is the case with the wak. The yasurime, although not clear because of “cleaning” (argh!) is higaki rather than sujikai – but only on the omote. Is this common? Thanks again for all your help! Regards, Dan K. Quote
Jacques Posted February 17, 2010 Report Posted February 17, 2010 Hi, I don't think this work is from Kanewaka. Some exemples below: And another version of Yahasu and Hako midare according Iimura sensei: Ps the previous oshigata comes from an old book named Shochu koto meikan (1856). Not mine. Quote
O koumori Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Posted February 18, 2010 John et al, I found one that looks close - Kanewaka I - in Malcolm's Mino-to. Interestingly enough, he refers to the hamon as hako-midare...I am continually humbled by Nihonto study - where I have to be ready to give up what I think I know! Thanks again to all for your help. Dan K. Quote
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