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I hope I'm wrong. But these 2 show signs of the signatures being cast into the tsuba. See all those rounded edges? Also, instead of nanako, they just did dimples. Possibly 2 Chinese fakes. Post pics of the entire tsuba? Also, on the first one, that kozuka ana and kogai ana don't have flat areas for the implements to sit on, they are curved. Mmakes no sense.

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