Translation Help - Kantei Section and Smith Generation

[benatthelake]

Hello all.  I'm looking for a bit of help with translation in the Kantei Section of NTHK Worksheet.  Anything interesting in this section?

 

Also the Smith is Yoshisuke and there was about a billion generations.  Just trying to determine which generation or any indication of the era.  More specific than Edo of course. 

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Best regards,

Ben

 

NTHK NPO.pdf

NTHK NPO 2.pdf

NTHK NPO 3.pdf

[Ganko]

Looks like 11th generation, around Tenmei(1781) on the work sheet.

[ChrisW]

That is a gorgeous blade, I love the wasp eyes!

[benatthelake]

Looks like 11th generation, around Tenmei(1781) on the work sheet.

Thanks Ganko.  Are you sure?  Does it say 11th Generation or Tenmei because my research shows....

 

 

[SteveM]

Yes, it says 11th generation, c. Tenmei.

 

駿河十一代、天明頃

[benatthelake]

Thanks Steve.  Can you read the Kantei Section of NTHK Worksheet?  Anything interesting in this section?

Thanks again,

Ben

[benatthelake]

So can anyone advise where is the 11th generation?  I can't find any reference with the exception of the Markus Sesko note above.  Could this be an error and it's really the 12th generation?  Probably doesn't make much of a difference.  Below is from Sho-Sin.com

YOSHISUKE       1st     KO-SHO 1455     SURUGA      767-768                     YOS 1672   JO-SAKU        500     YOSHISUKE       2nd     MEI-O 1492      SURUGA        768                                  JO-SAKU        500     YOSHISUKE       3rd     TAI-EI 1521     SURUGA      768-769                                JO-SAKU        500     TERUYOSHIYOSHISUKE       4th     TEN-SHO 1573    SURUGA        769                       YOS 1676   JO-SAKU        400     YOSHISUKE       5th     KEI-CHO 1596    SURUGA        769                       YOS 1677   JO-SAKU        280     YOSHISUKE       6th     SHO-O 1652      SURUGA                                  YOS 1678   JO-SAKU        280     YOSHISUKE       7th     KAN-BUN 1661    SURUGA                                  YOS 1679   JO-SAKU        300     YOSHISUKE       8th     SHO-TOKU 1711   SURUGA                                             CHU-JO         250     YOSHISUKE       9th     KAN-PO 1741     SURUGA                                             CHU-JO         250     YOSHISUKE      12th     TEN-MEI 1781    SURUGA        769                                  CHU-SAKU       150     

[SteveM]

Hello Ben, the only writing in the kantei section is what I have above - Suruga 11th gen., circa Tenmei. 

 

Markus would be the best to comment on the various generations. Since the 12th generation Yoshisuke went out of his way to call himself the 12th, and there seems to be no solid record of the 10th or 11th, it feels like this was perhaps an error by the kantei team (or something got lost between the guy looking at the sword and the guy writing the description).

[benatthelake]

Hi Steve. I agree and thank you again.

 

Ben

[Ed]

Pares and work sheet clearly state 11th gen., and Tenmei period.

 

Just to note: Hawley's does list 10th through 14th generations.

 

10th YOS 1679

11th YOS 1680

?      YOS 1681

12th YOS 1682

13th YOS 1683

14th YOS 1684