DirkO Posted August 10, 2008 Report Posted August 10, 2008 Hi, I came across 2 auctions which have NBTHS papers : http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Sword-Echi ... 0284814049 http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Sword-Mura ... 0285161692 Now it's described as Nihon Bijutsu Token Hozon Shinsakai papers. It's the first time I've seen them, and I can't seem to find a great deal info about them. The 2nd auction is described as having Very Beautifull NBTHS papers, so I'm guessing there's a gradation in them. Does anyone know more about these papers ? Quote
Nobody Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 I do not know any backgrounds of the papers, but there are some points I feel uncomfortable. - The 1st paper was issued in 1976 and the 2nd paper was issued in 1984. However, the serial number of the 2nd paper is lower. - All characters except serial numbers seem to be printed. Even the specific mei and the date are printed, not hand written. No one had a PC and a personal printer in 1976, so it seems strange to print such a paper with specific characters for every one kantei. Quote
Jacques Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 Hi, Great Koichi san, Are you the hidden son of Sherlock Holmes? You could be a great private detective :lol: Quote
DirkO Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Posted August 11, 2008 I do not know any backgrounds of the papers, but there are some points I feel uncomfortable. - The 1st paper was issued in 1976 and the 2nd paper was issued in 1984. However, the serial number of the 2nd paper is lower. - All characters except serial numbers seem to be printed. Even the specific mei and the date are printed, not hand written. No one had a PC and a personal printer in 1976, so it seems strange to print such a paper with specific characters for every one kantei. If they should have gradations as I suspect, then this would be logical - no ? I mean there are less blades of a higher quotation, so the number would be lower. Quote
Nobody Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 The papers do not look defferent to each other as for their grades to me. Quote
DirkO Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Posted August 11, 2008 :-) Wonderfull work indeed. But still : this seller sells a lot of swords, most of them with legit NBTHK papers. Where did these papers suddenly come from ? Who issued them ? Seeing they were issued decades ago and there's 8 years between the two issue dates, it's not a shortlived organisation that issued them... I find it hard to believe that they would be totally bogus. fwic2803 sometimes has some nice items and usually doesn't hide any mistakes. I've sent him a mail to ask for an explanation about these papers. Quote
Brian Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 The seller just picks up swords from all over and sells them (maybe consignment too?) i don't think he has great knowledge about them. If he got the swords with those papers, he might know as much about them as we do. Btw..no proof that the papers were issued at those dates. I could photoshop you papers right now that would be dated 20 years apart Not saying yet that they are bogus, but dating means nothing if someone is churning out papers. Could have been done 5 minutes apart. Brian Quote
Brian Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 Same group? viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3496 viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2451 Brian Quote
Nobody Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 According to the explanation of the seller, the 2nd sword (Tanto) was registered in May 17, 2000 at Saitama. Then, how could the sword get a Kanteisho in 1984? Quote
Kevin Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 Hi, I came across 2 auctions which have NBTHS papers : http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Sword-Echi ... 0284814049 http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Sword-Mura ... 0285161692 Now it's described as Nihon Bijutsu Token Hozon Shinsakai papers. It's the first time I've seen them, and I can't seem to find a great deal info about them. The 2nd auction is described as having Very Beautifull NBTHS papers, so I'm guessing there's a gradation in them. Does anyone know more about these papers ? I would say that he is having a bad bout of typos with the Roman alphabet and English translations, possibly coupled with the odd brainfart. It happens. :-) I've buggered things up before now with typos and brainfarts, despite English being my native tongue. :-) If you look further down, he says that they are NBTHK papers. I think logical deductions probably have to start from that point. Kevin Jones Quote
kanetoyo Posted August 11, 2008 Report Posted August 11, 2008 Hi all Anyway, This organization is collectors and dealer don't know in Japan. Probably the individual is writing. A dealer does not find out value on this paper. Nakamura Quote
DirkO Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Posted August 11, 2008 This is the reply i got from the seller : Hello, I hope you can read my bad english. NBTHS(Nihon Bijutsu Token Hozon Shisakai) was a sword group of Honami Nagatsune. NBTHS was a large-scale meeting for the study. But NBTHS stops activity now. Because the meeting was dissolved by financial failure. The serial numbers of Kanteisho are different branch office. Thank you, Mitsuhiro. Quote
Ken-Hawaii Posted August 10, 2013 Report Posted August 10, 2013 Digging up this rather old post, I am curious about a similar set of papers called "Nihonto Kantei Shisakai" by the seller, with whom I've successfully dealt with in the past. He describes the NKS papers as "Well-informed person meeting" which doesn't mean anything to me. Does anyone have experience with these papers? Aloha! Ken Quote
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