3rd generation Tadayoshi daisaku?

[mywei]

Hi folks,

 

Wanted to know everyone's opinion on this Omi daijo Tadahiro blade.

Does it look like a potential 3rd gen daisaku to you guys?

 

Points in favour:

1. Looks like late era work for 2nd gen. - sugata, nakagojiri

2. Jigane just jumps out at you, lots of jinie. Could also be the polish quality bringing it out.

3. Fairly wide construction 3.24-2.24cm

 

http://katananokura.jp/SHOP/1405-K03.html

 

Points against

1. Yasurimei looks slightly sujikai, but perhaps not enough?

2. Yasurimei is fine, not coarse

 

In any case, its a great work imho that jumped out at me straight away....

What do you guys think?

[Jim P]

Hi Matt, IMHO, I would lean to daisaku but I would not be suprised if its just one of his late works not much jumps out to me to think third generation, Darcy has one that looks very close http://www.nihonto.ca/omi-daijo-tadahiro-4/ the horimono is also well done and close

[mywei]

Thanks for that link Jim.

 

So after some consultation with Mr Robertshaw (with many thanks) it turns out that the example I showed was not a daisaku by the third gen, given the yasurime are kiri.

 

It seems that the yasurime are key in determining if it is daisaku.

 

Here's an example that we agreed was likely daisaku/daimei, even though it is of narrow construction normally seen with 2nd gen.

 

http://www.iidakoendo.com/info/item/a101.htm

 

[Brian]

Roger is the go-to guy for these.

His books are the best in English on Hizento, and a must have for collectors.

 

Brian

[mywei]

Yes, Roger has always been very quick to help and respond to inquiries. We are lucky to have such experts among us.

[Darcy]

The one I had this is linked above I think is Omi Daijo. The note in the writeup about Mutsu is just for information, carried over from a blade I had written up before that I thought was daisaku by the 3rd gen.

 

Nakago in question on the left, 3rd gen nakago in the middle, 2nd gen on the right. Just for comparing Yasurime. Also the shape of the 3rd gen blades I found always had a bit more muscular look than the 2nd gen blades. I am by no means an expert in Hizento though.

 

 

This is the blade.

 

http://www.nihonto.ca/omi-daijo-tadahiro/

[Jim P]

Hi Darcy, :D thank you for the info can you elaborate on ( 3rd gen blades I found always had a bit more muscular look than the 2nd gen blades. ) e.g muscular in what way,

[Darcy]

Hi Darcy, :D thank you for the info can you elaborate on ( 3rd gen blades I found always had a bit more muscular look than the 2nd gen blades. ) e.g muscular in what way,

 

They seemed to me to have less taper and more curvature. Omi Daijo's template blade then had some elegance to it and the 3rd gen looked a bit more masculine. I have not seen a lot of 3rd gen work though so it's not fair to me to generalize past the handful I've seen. Probably the thing to do is to read up on it in Roger's book.

[Jim P]

Hi Darcy, Thank you for the extra info I think I understand, it's something that is hard to get from books you need to see them together so your help does give a bit more insight