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  1. Hi, No one seems to have mentioned that the NBTHK Hozon attributes the tsuba as mumei: Mito best regards, John
  2. Hi guys, a couple of tsuba from my collection to add to the thread (sorry) The first is a shibuichi tsuba ‘inscribed’ Goto Mitsunobu (sometimes transliterated as Mitsutoshi), Tsujo, 11the generation master (1663-1721) living in Edo. The design is a shippo tsunagi (shippo chain) a symbol found in ancient Egypt as well as Asia and is 3,500 years old and embodies a wish for family happiness and financial success. No one has mentioned that the itomaki gata tsuba presented in this post can also be considered to be a single element of the shippo tsunagi design and I have never seen this mentioned anywhere. The second tsuba is a particular favourite of mine, maybe because it has seen better days and I can emphasize with it. A previous owner also loved it to judge by the old tsuba box in came in, maybe because it exudes wabi sabi. Although it is now an itomaki gata spindle, it was not always so. Inspection of the four large openings reveal that there were once inserts that have been removed. It took me several years before I stumbled across a picture of a tsuba with the missing elements, four jiguro bishi kamon of the Takeda clan (see pics). So why were these removed? Here is my rather fanciful explanation, for which I have no evidence. The jiguro bishi kamon version of the four diamond shapes of the Takeda kamon was used by Itagaki Nobutaku(1489-1548), one of Takeda Shingen’s 24-generals and although he won several battles became over confident, celebrating victories before the battle was finished. He did this at the battle of Uedahara in 1548, where he was killed. The Takeda were famously slaughtered at the battles of Nagashino in 1575 and Tenmokuzan in 1582 by Oda Nobunaga using volleys from matchlock muskets. I think that my tsuba may have been on a sword taken from a fallen Takeda samurai and as the new owner did not want to be falsely accused of being a Takeda clansman had it modified. My tsuba and the intact versions seem to shout ‘Kyo sukashi’ and the sale catalogue sources described them as such. However, Kyoto was in the hands of the Takeda’s enemies, so it would have been unlikely that they were made there. All the best, John
  3. Hi Guys, I’m writing for advice on whether to try to remove galvanic corrosion from a brass tsuba, or to leave it alone. For those without a background in electrochemistry it may be useful to describe what galvanic corrosion is. If two different metals are in electrical contact and placed in an electrolyte (a liquid, such as salt water, which enables an electric current to flow) the most reactive metal will corrode much faster than if it was on its own. An early example of this was in 1761 when sheets of copper were nailed to the hull of HMS Alarm in order to prevent marine fouling. Although the copper did prevent weed and marine animals from attacking the wooden hull it was found that the iron nails attaching the copper plated completely corroded far quicker than other iron nails on the ship. The iron nails acted as an anode and the copper as a cathode of a battery and the sea water provided an electrical conducting path between the two metals. Of interest to us, as tsuba collectors, is that copper is often used for sekigane on iron tsuba, but I have yet to see any galvanic corrosion of the iron. This is because of the dry environment around the nakago ana thus excluding the electrolyte component of the galvanic corrosive mix. Iron is the most reactive of metals found in tsuba and thus most likely to corrode: gold, silver and copper the most unreactive and brass between the two extremes. Probably the most common examples of galvanic corrosion of tsuba are to be found in early Heianjo tsuba in which the seal between the iron plate of the tsuba and the brass inlay was not sufficiently tight to prevent moisture seeping in between the brass and the iron. The resulting galvanic cell caused to iron to rust and the increase in volume of the rust, compared to iron, forced the brass inlay out. Later examples of Heianjo tsuba were often coated with a thin film of clear lacquer to prevent water ingress. So now let me turn to my brass tsuba which depicts two gilt and shakudo takazogan horses and some background engraving on a flat base plate of brass. Its mumei, wakizashi size (6.7 x 6.3 cm), a bit battered and not a particularly great piece, possibly Mito or Nara schools. There appear to be three areas where the patina has been discoloured, namely: 1. On the omote the gilt (copper?) and shakudo horses plus gilt flowers on the tree are surrounded by dark areas stretching out about 2mm from the inlays. I assume that this is due to galvanic corrosion of the brass by the copper/gold inlay. (labelled 1 on pics) 2. On the ura are two small pieces of copper imbedded into the brass ji and these two are surrounded by dark areas of stained brass. I don’t know if these pieces of copper were picked up by accident in the brass mixture or if they were hammered into the brass blank to fill in flaws. Whatever, these two pieces of copper retain a bright finish, as would be expected from the cathode of the galvanic pair of metals and it is the brass that has oxidised and become discoloured. (labelled 2 on pics) 3. The lower right quadrant of the ura shows areas of red copper in the ji. This, is probably not actually galvanic corrosion but due to the zinc in the surface of the brass being oxidised and rubbed off as it was formed by the clothing of whoever was wearing the sword, leaving behind a zinc depleted layer, i.e. copper. (labelled 3 on pics) My analysis of the history of this tsuba is that the dark staining was caused by storage in damp conditions, thus providing the third component of a galvanic cell, the electrolyte. The copper-coloured areas appeared during normal wear near a warm moist (sweaty) part of the body and by rubbing against clothing. My initial attempts to clean the tsuba were with ethanol on cotton wool buds to remove the general grime. But I found that the dark stains around the horses were resistant to this. I wondered if Renaissance Metal De-Corroder would remove this film. I have used it on a badly rusted iron tsuba and it does work by softening up rust as an easily removed sludge leaving behind the underlying iron undamaged, but lacking any patina which would have been lost anyway beforehand during rusting. Being cautious I tried this out on an old brass pipe coupling which had become similarly decoloured. Rubbing on the De-Corroder with a cotton wool bud worked within a couple of minutes, but instead of revealing a nice brass coloured piece of metal, it was copper coloured. The oxidised zinc had been removed to reveal a zinc depleted micro layer, i.e. copper, underneath. I then treated the test piece with a paste of 100/200 mesh alumina in WD-40 using a cotton wool bud and sure enough the micro layer of copper was removed, revealing bright shining brass underneath. So, here is my dilemma, do I leave the tsuba as is, or do I remove the dark stains with De-Corroder and then polish out the resulting micro layer of copper? Areas of the ji would then be a mixture of bright and dull brass unless I polish all of the ji and wait bout 20 years for the brass to oxidise to a more aged patina. It would be good to have the horses stand out from the ji, but perhaps surrounded by a bright, rather than dark, halo would not be an improvement. Your help and comments will be appreciated. With best regards, John Just a guy making observations, asking questions and trying to learn
  4. Hi Jean, I know that many Japanese sword enthusiasts do not know that iron can be dated by measuring the carbon-14 content using an accelerator mass spectrometer. I saw one of these about 30 years ago being used for medical research it was a monster and was housed in a warehouse. Maybe technology has advanced since then. The ability to do this with Japanese iron artifacts is due to the use of charcoal in the smelting (tatara) and forging processes. It is carbon from the charcoal which gets incorporated into the iron that is dated. No good for Western iron smelted using coke. There are several studies on the web and I believe that the swordsmith Yoshindo Yoshihara got involved in one such study to provide iron with a 'zero' time point. Below is an abstract form another study. best regards, John 14C Ages and Calendar Years of Japanese Swords Measured with Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Kazuhiro Nagata, Akihiro Matsubara, Yoko Saito-Kokubu, Toshio Nakamura Abstract Steel of Japanese swords has been produced with Tatara process from iron sand and charcoal. Carbon dissolved in steel was absorbed from wooden charcoal fuel during the production of the steel. From the decay of 14C activity in the steel, the 14C age of Japanese sword can be determined. The 14C ages of 4 Japanese swords were measured with accelerator mass spectrometry and calibrated to calendar years. Each 14C age provided plural calendar year periods with definite probabilities, and one of the periods agreed with the production year of each sword that was determined from the sword master’s name cut in the grip of his sword after taking the age range of charcoal used for steel production and usage for several generations of the same names of sword masters into account.
  5. Mauro, I'm not really familiar with Shonai, but that looks as good an attribution as any from pics I have seen. I did buy a 'shibuichi Kaga' tsuba from Bonhams about four years ago (pic attached, signed Kashu ju Katsukuni)) and the workmanship looks similar. It was evidently made of an unusual shibuichi alloy in that it was magnetic and had some rust spots. At least they did not describe it as shakudo! I agree with Dale, it looks too good to be Kinai. A bit like Ferrari using a Fiat as a model for their new car. thanks for your comments, John
  6. A quick look at the first two pictures of this tsuba and I expect many of you will jumping up and down shouting ‘Easy! Echizen Kinai tsuba of aoi leaves.’ Just like the one I’ve included for comparison signed Echizen ju Kinai saku. Problem with my tsuba is the it is probably shibuichi and mumei (Kinai were never shy about adding signatures). The tsuba is 7.2 cm x 6.9 cm x 0.4 cm, Weight: 132 g and is essentially a standard Echizen aoi design. The tsuba is almost totally symmetrical about the vertical axis, having two kogai hitsu ana and matching tagane around the nakago ana, making assignment to the omote or ura impossible. The inlay karakusa scrolls are the same, but the raindrops on the leaves differ. So who made it? I have never seen a shibuichi Kinai tsuba, but this does not mean they did not make any. The quality looks above their standard output, so why not sign it? Best explanations I have are that maybe it was made for a high-ranking samurai, by another workshop, who liked to wear a bit of bling on formal occasions but still wear the tsuba design that lesser ranks used, or it was made by a kinko artist as a copy of an iron Kinai tsuba to make a more saleable product for the Western market. Either explanation would explain the lack of wear. Look forward to your comments. John Just a guy making observations, asking questions and trying to learn
  7. Jake, My dream hobby in retirement would be to spend a couple of days each month in the BM or V&A in London examining soft metal tsuba with an XRF gun and collecting data on the composition. Of particular interest would be 'chocolate brown shakudo' tsuba, often sold by major auction houses and Japanese dealers, which I suspect are nigurome with little or no gold. John
  8. Thanks for all the comments guys. Sorry for being so late in acknowledging them as I have been a bit busy with other things. Thanks Piers for pointing out that the NBTHK Hozon does state that it has a tsuchime-ji finish. My bad, I guess I am getting a bit lazy with my translations in my old age and missed those kanji and meant to translate them later. Good to hear that I am not the only one that thinks that the NBTHK shinsa is not perfect, I too have seen identical looking tsuba with different attributions. I just feel that these guys know more than me, so make fewer mistakes and I have so much to learn. I guess that mumei iron tsuba must be the hardest category to evaluate, especially as most of the artists are lost to history and were unrecorded. If only carbon-14 dating was cheap and readily available it would make dating easier, but then we would not want to drill samples out of our tsuba! Elemental analysis using XRF would also be a fascinating area for study to see if different schools had different amounts of trace elements in their iron. Sorry, its just the scientist in me getting carried away. Thanks again, John
  9. I have a few questions regarding a tsuba that I recently purchased. The tsuba is an iron tosho tsuba (8.88 x 8.8 cm, 3mm at the seppa dai, 2mm at the mimi) with a sukashi butterfly and was accompanied by a NBTHK Hozon certificate. The nakago ana is slightly concave at the sides where the shinogi of the sword would have rested and has no tagane marks, which would indicate that the tsuba was made for a specific blade, probably at the time of forging, which had bo-hi chiselled through the nakago. There are no sekigane, again indicating that this was a tailor made tsuba that has not been remounted. There is a single small kozuka style ana and the overall condition is good, with no active rust areas, but having a mixture of smooth and slightly rough (tsuchime, hammered?) finish. The surface also looks as if the iron is not homogeneous, but a mixture of different irons and speckled with tiny bright spots (tekottsu) on both the ji and mimi. A fairly straightforward tosho tsuba I guess, but I do have some questions. The NBTHK Hozon attributes the tsuba as tosho, rather than ko-tosho. In view of the simple butterfly sukashi and tapered omote surface, I would have dated the tsuba pre-Edo to about 1550. I can’t seem to find a transition date for attributing tsuba to ko-tosho or tosho other than a brief statement by Sasano which places the transition at ca.1543, with the arrival of the Portuguese. Can anyone clarify? The tsuba has a small kozuka style hitsu (1.2 cm) but is too small for a standard kozuka (1.3-1.4cm) or even most kogai. However, I do have a wari-kogai (chopsticks) that fits well (see photo). I don’t think the hole is small enough to be a udenuki ana for passing through a cord in order to secure the blade in the saya. It would seem to me that if a samurai was on a campaign, then a wari-kogai would have been more use for eating his meals than a normal kogai used to fix his hair. Besides if it had a spoon end, like the wari-kogai shown, it would still retain the ear cleaning functionality! The last question that I have is how did the surface get to be like it is? Both sides seem to be a mixture of patches of smooth and rough areas. The smooth areas do not appear to show any traces of residual lacquer. Although the rough areas are below the surface they do not really appear to be as a result of rust. The patina is uniform and there are no rust scabs. I have three possibilities for this effect. Firstly, the tsuba is a fake and has been made to look old. This is probably not the case as it has a NBTHK Hozon and these guys should know the difference. Secondly, the roughness was caused by rust which was cleaned off and the tsuba repatinated (in antiquity?). Thirdly, the tsuba originally had a tsuchime finish, but the high spots were smoothed off using sword polishing stones (hence no file marks) before a final yakite and patination. I like this explanation as I can imagine an apprentice swordsmith making this tsuba and refining his forging and foundation polishing skills. Thanks for your help and comments. Best regards, John (just a guy making observations, asking questions, trying to learn)
  10. During the Edo period samurai using the ferries in Edo frequently did not pay the ferrymen and were known as Satsuma no Kami Tadanori. The Japanese word 'tadanori', using different kanji, translates as getting a ride for free, or freeloader. The theme was also depicted in a comic play or Kyogen, in which a monk tries to get a free ride on a ferry by saying that he is 'a noble of the Heike clan, Satsuma no kami Tadanori.' Perhaps it is a shame that such a famous warrior's name became associated with samurai not paying their way during their stays in Edo, but I guess the townspeople had a lot to put up with poor samurai not paying their bills. John To
  11. Gee that was quick. Thanks Colin I'll be able to sleep tonight. Best regards, John
  12. I sometimes see copper sekigane with a black lacquer finish to blend in with the tsuba. This looks like what may have happened on the lower one, but resolution poor to be sure. The clouds on this tsuba are probably shakudo, but the patination on the high parts has worn away showing the unpatinated colour of copper underneath. IMHO an average piece in a worn condition and well overpriced at about $1000. Best regards, John
  13. Hi everyone, Can anyone identify the archer on this recently purchased tsuba for me? The scene on the tsuba shows and archer on horseback shooting down a flying bird. The design is not unique and I have seen similar in auction catalogues with the same description but never the identity of the archer. Looking at the short bow the archer is probably Chinese rather than Japanese which fits in with the artist, Tsuneshige, who specialised in historical and mythological subjects from these countries. My searches on the internet have failed to identify the subject and I hate not knot knowing. Tsuneshige (H 10905.0) was an artist of the Nara School who worked between about 1775 and 1800 and was a student of Nara Shigetsugu living in the Kanda district of Edo. His birth name was Ichiemon and originally signed his name as Sekiguchi Masayoshi and is also recorded as signing Ryoka, Takesha and Torin. He is noted for making nadekaku shaped brass tsuba with a uchikaeshi mimi (turned back rim) and shishiaibori carvings in which the design is carved into the flat plate. His subjects were chiefly historical and mythical figures from Japan and China carved in a ‘robust rather than refined execution and he is said to have concentrated on quantity rather than quality’, which is reflected in the large number of tsuba still extant. So, it is unlikely that anyone bothered to forge copies of his work! He liked use an ishime finish on the ground of his tsuba and sign on the right side of the seppa-dai with just two kanji. All of these features can be seen in this tsuba, which also has small amounts gold, silver and shakudo inlays to highlight features in the design. Thanks for your help, best regards, John
  14. I bought a rusty plate tsuba with a Chinese scene as part of a job lot and decided to experiment removing the rust with Renaissance Metal De-corroder, as it was junk. I think I posted the results before. The interesting thing was that the De-corroder removed the rust without attacking the iron and revealed the layered structure, especially in the nakago and hitsu ana. There were about 10 layers, indicating that the iron had been folded about 3 or for times. There was also an area of about 1 cm square on the ji, just to the right and below the nakago ana where a layer of iron, about the thickness of a piece of aluminium foil had lifted off. Steve's cracks look like poor welding, but don't forget to be aware of lines around the middle of cheap cast iron tsuba. Best regards, John
  15. Hi Simon, Nice cleaning job to remove the verdigris. I notice that the patina on the main body and seppa dai of the tsuba is brown rather than a deep blue black. This would indicate that the base alloy is nigurome and not shakudo. There are several examples of nigurome tsuba in the Compton collection and Robert Haynes, who wrote the descriptions I believe, describes such tsuba as Nagoyamono (things from Nagoya). Nigurome is described as katashirome (tin and lead) mixed with copper to form nigurome. Once gold (3-7%) is added you get shakudo and the alloy can be patinated to blue/black rather than chocolate brown. Lots of this type of tsuba were made to meet the demand for Goto style tsuba made in shakudo, but presumably they were cheaper. I have a few myself and some are good quality and others not so. I don't expect you have a XRF spectrometer to check the alloy composition. Nor do I, but would love to do an elemental analysis on these tsuba to check if nigurome is actually the same as shakudo without the gold, or a different composition. Nigurome tsuba often turn up in major auction houses and in Japanese dealers inventory wrongly described as shakudo. Best regards, John
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