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Many thanks John. Can you suggest another source which may have more info?

But is it a nagamaki? Whats up with the partially drilled(?) ana?

Dear Sirs, I am looking for information on this smith: 源守之 - Minamoto Moriyuki ( I believe he is listed by Hawley as MOR454 ). I do not have a copy of Hawley's to hand and I am unsure of any other places which have a reference to this smith. I am looking for any information at all. Does anyone know anything about him? An oshigata or a mei would be highly appreciated, but I understand that this is probably asking a lot. If anyone could post what they have or could find I would be most thankful. Regards,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWAX:IT Can anyone comment on the blade? Looks like the carving on the saya is the selling point, but is this a nagamaki...?

I started a thread regarding the tsuba here: /viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9187 if anyone is interested.

Jason, They are both wakizashi size.

Would it be correct to assume that despite differences in states of preservation, these tsuba were made at roughly the same time? Kaga school mid to late 18thC?

can anyone suggest a date for the tsuba...?

Im sure many here have seen this already, but I stumbled across it the other day whilst researching a project I am working on. Published in 1980 so slightly dated, but gives an overview of the development of steel production in Japan juxtopposed to what was happening in the western world at a similar point in time. I found it a good read: http://d-arch.ide.go.jp/je_archive/engl ... _unu8.html Regards,

Not bad at all. As good as many web dealers and better than a more than a few. It is almost impossible to capture all the activies along blade when photographing from this perspective however. The lights you need to take a shot with the kind of contrast and detail you get from a scanner can only be found in professional photography studios.

I could swear that somewhere I read a Japanese source that said something about rubbing not neccessarily sweat, but oil from the face (I believe it was oil from the skin on the nose) onto sword nakago and iron fittings as a way to promote formation of an attractive and stable patina...I have no experience with shakudo however.

Louis, Fantastic print there. A very desirable Kuniyoshi... I had the pleasure of attending a large Kuniyoshi exhibition at the Royal Academy a year or so ago. This was one print I spent a long time looking at. I remember it being referred to by knowlegable commentators as an important reference point for the birthplace of Manga and modern Japanese animation, with all its intensity and flashing light. Really something. The skeleton was there along with all the classic Kuniyoshi prints but this one has always been one of my favorites.

Happy belated to each - NMB is invaluable. Thanks to all for providing such a community and service.

Please dont block China...Im there. There is enough blocked content when using the web here as it is Incidentally, I have already registered - best of luck!

Kevin, Let me rephrase to: "Cutting down on the import and sale of a large portion of the Chinese made Japanese styled curved blades over 50cm which were ending up in high street shops and UK ebay stores." Only a small number of people who want a Japanese (style) blade are in the market for choku-to (jo-koto) replicas. While I agree with your gripes regarding some added aggrovation with customs proceedures (the onus being on the individual to provide proof of age and provenance of a sword being my main issue) those who have lost revenue are the aforementioned highstreet shops who were selling reproduction swords for neither re-enactment nor martial arts training purposes. Although legislation has no doubt made life more complicated for UK based Japanese art and sword dealers, loss of revenue from sales has not occured. What is likely have occured is some loss of revenue through time wasted in negotiating with customs and ignorant shipping agencies bleating about the "inability to ship swords to the UK" - a pet peeve of mine. Sotheby's closing their Japanese art department in London had nothing whatsoever to do with the new sword legislation (which would not have affected them in the slightest anyway) and everything to do with economics, the non-necessity of an operational Japanese Works of Art department in London and a general dip in the Japanese art market as a whole, just ask Christian Bouvet. Whilst I do not fault your logic, tactics or reasoning, for better or worse you have chosen to ignore the advice you requested (and recieved from two of the most highly respected UK experts) in this thread. I will reserve judgement on this untill something (or nothing) changes as a result of your time spent on this matter. Regards,

I would be happy to wager a first class stamp on this but in the end agree with Clive. I believe Johnathan Nandris had a fairly well worded drapht for this purpose back when the original (new) law was being considered but I am unsure of the value of hundreds of copies of the same letter...and a toothless tiger isnt so bad. The current legislation also does Nihonto enthusiasts the favour at least cutting down on the number of cheap China-tana imports. This encourages more investment in true Japanese swords and the artform we appreciate. As for the "offensive weapons list" I think legally speaking this is a different kettle of fish and may be a waste of breath. Arn't nunchaku are also listed as "offensive weapons"....? Not quite sure when two pieces of stick attached by a string became a deadly weapon but I think it was around the same time Bruce Lee became popular...

I have a question about papers, I hope it is not too far off topic to be answered... Baring in mind that sending a sword to shinsa is not exactly cheap and that certification papers can mean a great deal in judging the market value of a sword, what I would like to know is what sort of compensation (if any) is offered by the NBTHK / NTHK in the event of a sword recieving two different sets of papers (from the same organisation) which causes either an increase/decrease in percieved market value of a sword? There may be numerous costs to consider: insurace, market inflation/deflation, choice of level of polish etc... Does anyone know of any law suits which have taken place in Japan / USA involving this kind of dispute?

On the subject of gunto koshirae I offer my opinion with regards to my viewpoint on what role nihonto (or more pertinantly, what role blades in their WWII mountings) played in the history of the Japanese sword and its mountings as a whole. I belive a regulation gunto koshirae is not art. I do not feel that I need to argue this point here... To the best of my knowledge and as has been discussed previously on this thread, not all koshirae in the history of the Japanese sword were indeed art. Gunto koshirae were only in use during the period Japan was fighting the war, and though the military campaign may bave been of high significance it did not take up a considerable stretch of time when considered against the length in years of sword culture in Japan. Baring these factors in mind, I have an old blade, probably mid 14thC, which was mounted in a WWII gunto koshirae when I recieved it. I would choose not to separate the WWII koshirae from the blade but would also choose not to store/display them together as a sword. Although I am familiar with the perspective of collecters like SwordGuyJoe, I prefer other aspects of beauty to the tragedy embodied by gunto koshirae, though I understand his sentiment. My personal reasons for this are as follows: I believe blades to be more beautiful when viewed separately from gunto koshirae. I believe the sword will have more historical significance if it is preserved in its entirety including koshirae than if it is not. I would find it difficult to justify selling a gunto koshirae separate from the blade, but it should be known that I do not intend to primarily benefit monetarily from my hobby of collecting old Japanese swords... One of the many reasons nihonto remain interesting to me is that I percieve them to be special objects. Why? - Because I believe them to be one of only a very few objects in this world, when, given the right circumstances are capable of transcending the often applied acid test "art or craft". How? - Some blades are pure art and were created to be so. Some blades were designed purely as weapons and display perfectly the aspects of the traditional Japanese craft of speedily producing an exceptionally well functioning sabre. In the best old blades however, the combination of both remarkably high levels of variation and decorative creativity, and the fact that they were both executed at the highest possible technological level of the time makes them to me, both art and craft, this is unique. Nowdays, smiths are producing either art or craft depending on the sword they make and who their client is. Either the sword was designed primarily for usage or primarily for display; however when steel swords first arrived in Japan from the asian continent there was no such dichotomy - they were chinese weapons. Somewhere in between now and then, a time was reached where not only were all Japanese swords unique in style decoration and appearance but were also produced using the highest metalurgical technology then available. It is under these circumstances I believe that certain swords fall into both the catagories of art and craft in the strictest sense. but I am probably just being romantic

nuki and noto must be a pain... gift blade for a skilled carpenter?

My thoughts exactly.... Just looks too badly gone to be pure water damage... and if it were then why would the blade be relatively healthy?

Lol Grey, I can just imagine how thrilled you were with the raggedy wooden burrs along the edge. At least it was a "sanmai" blade This part sounds familiar to me at least!

Please see link: http://cgi.ebay.com/F433-REAL-Japanese- ... n_Antiques seems to be something out of the ordinary.

The dream itself was bizarre or the fact that you had a dream was bizarre? I somewhat ashamedly admit that nihonto have penetrated deep enough into my psyche that I am occasionally prone to the odd nihonto related dream... my latest was that the tip of an okissaki on one of my shinshinto blades was broken off by some careless handeler... woke up in a cold sweat!

As Lee said... 3-4 years ago that would most likely have sold on ebay for $1500 or so, perhaps more. Nowdays...well..... All in all I dont think you got such a terrible deal so dont be too bummed. I am not an expert on nihonto pricing but it depends on what you really want from your blade. Sure, its not a flawless piece but you're not likely to find a flawless muramachi period tanto even for three times what you paid. As long as the seller hasnt mislead you on the date, you have there a 460 year old Japanese short sword with its temper line in tact and baring a signature. I might add...though the tsuba is much later it is quite a little peach from what I can see in the photos...a nice shape with some decent carving. The theme is a dragon chasing a mythical dragon pearl, aka a dragon ball, historically a very popular artistic theme in east asia.

Thanks Markus and all contributors. Oh boy I have a lot to learn....