Hokke

Very cool, had no idea they even made such things, but I definitely want one now.

With all due respect Bobby, you are correct until you actually encounter someone from either camp. I have not a seen a single occurrence of someone here "sneering at Juyo as toys for rich collectors". However, there are bold occurrences of "dismisses the lesser". This is done quite openly and proudly. At that point, all bets are off and its no longer BS. Yes, yes, we "should celebrate" nihonto and "not fight", and for the most part I think this is the case. All the more reason to call out a liar in truths clothing. Cancer has to be identified, before being treated.

I dont have a FB account, so im not familiar with the sections, but im surprised there is that much of a nihonto following. Didnt know that platform had turned into such a sales site.

Good question, perhaps it was a simple matter of volume. Or maybe because someone told him kanbun shinto, suriage blades with shallow sori were "paperweights".

damn....that was a deal....congrats to Rawa safe flying Hamfish

Um no, TFB, you made the statement, I simply pointed out your poor memory for having forgotten it. The only thing deep. deep down is your contempt for anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you. Describing nihonto purchases others have made or may make as "paperweights" is quite LITERALLY both looking down at someone AND something at the same time. Not to mention you accused a member of this forum for essentially being a thief. But you know all this TFB, and you arent the least bit bothered by it, which makes you a "special" kind of.........person.

Way to go TFB, what a short memory you have “Especially the people here like @Hokke @Matsunoki @jdawg221 @jawob i think between you guys if you can take all the paperweights off the market and souley focus on those, we'd all have a clearer view of what's really out there.”

Colin may have different reasoning but I understood it as: Many of these dealers have brick and mortar shops. Items are available for sale there first and if they do not sell, they are then posted online for the world to view. In some cases, dealers will post items for sale online in the native language section and then after a period of time will have them available in the translated sections.

Its an assumption that anyone purchasing a nihonto, is doing so based on specific blade qualities. As mentioned numerous times previously, there are those who purchase nihonto for other reasons, which include appearance, historic significance and authenticity, not to mention, price point. If you disagree then you are saying there are “rules” to owning nihonto, which is ridiculous.

I agree Colin, like you, I want this thread to remain open, so I will be as diplomatic as humanly possible.

How about we steer clear of assumptions in this thread and focus on general guidelines, which is exactly what has been done.

Great points Colin, exactly what newcomers should see to start them on their journey. IMO, this thread should be pinned to the top of the page.

I read your response very clearly, however, unless you have been granted the authority to answer for another member, I wasnt asking YOU anything. Maybe it wasn’t obvious. It looks like the author is addressing questions as I write this. So lets see if HE would like to respond or not. Either way makes no difference to me.

You are certainly entitled to see things however you wish and while I dont agree with your assessment, I accept that is certainly one way for my post to be interpreted. You mentioned something we ALL have encountered, which is making mistakes. But 100 of them in the same field of study, and not just regular mistakes but "expensive mistakes". I guess one would have to define "expensive" as its meaning is relative. But to me, an expensive mistake, in nihonto at least is $1k-5k. "Very expensive" is 5K or more. Is that what the author meant when describing "expensive"? I dont know, do you? But it's a legitimate question. Regardless of the number attached to the word, its still remarkable IMO, too have made that mistake 100 times. I really dont know why folks are skeptical of the question. So I'll tell you and everyone else, whatever the answer is, if he chooses to address it, WHATEVER it is, I will not respond or make any further effort to participate in this thread. I will ONLY do if I am asked a direct question looking for a serious answer. How's that? To reiterate, my question is simply this: How does someone make the same "expensive mistake", in one specific field, 100 times? Id REALLY like to know.

I dont know to what you are referring. Your question was legitimate as was mine. Consider ANY hobby or even occupation in life. To make such an abundance of mistakes in one specific field is noteworthy. If the goal of this thread is to better educate those new to collecting nihonto, it seems my question is quite relevant. I don't know, 100 expensive mistakes may be an indicator of lots of things. When I was a kid I had a friend that always over bought items wherever we were. If we were in a bakery he would buy two dozen doughnuts and only eat 1 or 2, throwing the rest away. If we went fishing, he would buy lures and not even use them because it was clear beforehand we were using live bait. It wasn't until I got a bit older that I realized he had a terrible relationship with his parents and his way of rebelling was to spend up all their money so they would get mad and show him some attention. As you can imagine he grew into a less than productive adult, but since he was a trust fund baby, it didnt really matter. Point is, he never had appreciation for what it took to ACTUALY earn money, so he spent it wildly and carelessly, one could say he made MANY expensive mistakes. Could that be an explanation? I don't know, but I dont know ANYONE, as an adult, that has made the same mistake 100 times. I was simply looking for some insight. I didnt use any profanity, or call anyone names; I didnt start a thread trying to bait someone into a meeting........none of that. Just a simple question, thats it.

Its a fair question, however, im more curious how someone makes 100 “very expensive” mistakes. That seems to say a good bit all on its own. IMO, anyone who makes more than 3 “very expensive mistakes” in the same field should probably pause and have a good long look at the genesis of such a failure. 100 is certainly nothing to brag about, if you want to be taken seriously.

Not traditional, but one I like that I had made for a shinsakuto

Well then perhaps you give it another read through. This thread was clicking along quite well until one member decided to s**t on another members post. Ironically, using the very same kind of sarcasm and pointed remarks others have been called out for. Perhaps that is an unlisted perk of gold member status? If people want to collect something for its history, regardless of condition or value, who is to say that is wrong or without merit? Everyone has the right to their opinions here, but acting as if you have superior knowledge and looking down at those who do not share your chosen path is one of easiest ways to drive interest down in a hobby. So which way do you want it? You want people to fall in line with rules and regulations that allow you the "right" to spend your hard earned money on something? Or do you want people to engage this hobby how ever they see fit and use forums like this to hopefully guide them toward a deeper appreciation and respect for the culture and craft?

Here we go again. I dont know what kind of deal you have set up here where you can be so inflammatory, but when its returned, you run to daddy and cry, complaining that people are being mean to you and hurting your feelings, but it sure is something. As for your ridiculous post, let's dissect it one more time, because like I said, I love fresh bread. So what if @When Necessary is dreaming or using imagination, is that against the rules? Who dictates HOW any item MUST be appreciated, you? Please, you're a joke "Theres more to a sword than that", oh by all means, the great and powerful singapore man has spoken, lets all gather in a circle and partake of your sage wisdom and feel privileged to have had it grace our ears. So needy..... You have blades from sekigahara? Post em, would love to discuss them and how you acquired them. Im buying......

If you have a look in the Izakaya, you will find this topic is already currently being discussed.

Wow, accusing another member of being greedy and conniving in their business practices. Cant wait to see where this goes........

That's how you saw it huh, someone "took my side". You have problems my delicate friend. But guess what, your precious thread is now reopened, not that it matters since you hijacked a thread when your likely request wasn't granted quickly enough for your ego. So post away, I cant wait......

It seems to me you have had some kind of epiphany, so I guess I have to say you're welcome. It's difficult to if not impossible to change the mind of a narcissist who believes they are superior in knowledge to the rest of us muggles. Wait, but thats a complete 180 degree shift. You are actually admitting to being wrong? Thats almost too good to be true. Hmmmm...... No, I think the real reason for your post, as Colin alluded to, is that you are butthurt that your thread was locked. Not only locked, but locked on a post that called you out for what you have shown yourself to be. After a day or two of reflection and crying, you looked in the mirror and thought, "im better than this, how dare someone question my perfection" Unsatisfied with this travesty and unable to control your childish nature, you decided to throw your tantrum in another members thread, just you can feel like you had the last word. The problem is, that the feeling of elation, which is like a drug to you only lasted but a few brief moments. That feeling has only gotten shorter and shorter over the years because that how addiction works. So keep chasing that high, makes no difference to me, I am happy to be your thorn. Dealing with individuals like you is fresh bread for me, oh how I love fresh bread.

By all means Jean, tell us how you really feel i think it has more of a sabre look in this style……i wouldn't necessarily call it ugly, but its definitely… different

The key is when you used the phrase “high regard”. Nihonto held in high regard is mostly on an artistic level. Yes there are those valued for their function as well if are wazamono, but in general, its art. You seem to have less interest in nihonto as an art and more for function, which is fine, but that isnt where value is attributed because the overwhelming majority of people who own nihonto do not “use” them. Personally there is a lot of art in the world like paintings and sculptures that I find terrible or ridiculous, take for example a painting of a Campbells soup can……ridiculous, and yet one sold for 11 million dollars.