Jcstroud

Takeyasu and Toyosuke had many things in common small 4mm stamps green paint ,black paint, cut tangs at 9 in. Length+/-, crosshatched filemarks all seem to indicate Takeyama forge origin in my opinion. Currently looking for more verification.

I reread my notes and it was the4mm stamp that was used predominantly

Perhaps by grouping swords by stamp size,and also by swordsmiths known locations.In combination with physical traits such as paint color could help pin down location of fabrication.Such as Takayama for example.Well thats my 2 cents worth for now.

Is it possible that the different anchor stamps could indicate different sources of production? Such as Takayama,Seki,Tenshozan ? My reasoning is if you notice Masanao,Kanenao,and Toyosuke seem to have the same 8mm stamp in the same location if my memory serves me correctly. PS hey guys been a while hope you are all well. JOHN

Makes me wonder why some were "signed" but most were not.

Thank you Bruce very cool.

On my Toyosuke #45 The tsuka insriptions use the 4th and fifth characters of the go-juon hiragana chart with no prefix characters it would be an assuption of mine that the characters represent the numbers 45. I hope that this clarifies my previous post.

And also go-juon/45

I think the number was 8747 to be exact. In accordance to U.S. Army declassified info.

Could we see the blade ...please. ?here are the the 2 Toyosuke swords that I currently own.

Yes ,Bruce has a database for the Nlf aka souvenir swords,I would like to see the rest of it! Two more to compare.

Ouch did I just hit a nerve? Surely you jest. Your experience and tenure were never once questioned.your contribution to the forum well founded. I stand quite surprised by your responses.but oh well ....perhaps a good tranquilizer is is in order?😁

So you do have a sense of humor dont you! 😁

To answer your question:Forgive me if I seem "glib" it is not my intention to be controversial . I only want to bring out insights on various observations about this type of swords based on my notes and studies about them. My intent is know more about them,not to make them worth more they speak for themselves. I enjoy this forum and all the members contributions in the pursuit of knowing more about genuine Japanese swords which these are.this reminds me of what my dad used to say: "I was jus pokin fun but yall took it serious" As to my age... likely older than yourself.

Boy you really like these swords dont you? Oh if these swords could only talk..... oh well I do like them they serve their intended purpose. To hang on the wall. And to remind us of what not to do..... harm others.

Mei,Mei,Mei....now getting back to the question: Is this a real Japanese Naval Sword? The answer is yes .made by the Japanese Naval Sword Company in Zishi Japan also known as Tenshozan Tanrenjo .

RJT Manufacturing Specifications thread. small:2.0〜2.1尺　　731.25〜768.75 grams medium:2.1〜2.2尺　　768.75〜806.25 grams　 large:2.2〜2.3尺　　806.25〜843.75 grams These specs. I was only using these specs as an example of the strict adherance of weight standards.

In reference to the question of whether these swords were wartime surplus... consider a recent comparison of two souvenir swords made by Toyosuke where the weights of both were within "point 2 ounces" reinforcing the Stringent RJT weight requirements.why would they care about exacting weights if they were intended to be a souvenir? This supports the theory that the were indeed intended for military use.

Surely you must have a sense of humor.😁

Actually the last of the "Souvenir" swords were completed by March of 1947.

And just as easy for those who do not want to believe. Hey @Stephen do have any information on this storage building? Was it a U.S.Army surplus building? Just curious?

Malcolm Cox believes these were Arsenal products to shorten production time,I personally believe they were originally longer and cut to fit standard length koshirai. Cutting this type of anti-rust steel is not easy to saw cut nor file .there seems to be evidence that the cut ones most originated in Takayama forge. But that is my theory. Surplus? The truth is in all the details not all are the same.

That is one fat "koko" defininitly overthick!

Collecting is not everything the part I like best is solving the mysteries of who was this ...who was that there are many things we dont yet know, We all could use your expertise ! Dont loose the faith and carry on my friend......