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Looks to have been polished off years ago.the kissaki resembles a Takayama- to late war were thicker but not like first design. Not a flaw just well worn.

Would it be possible to take a picture of the nakago aka tang would help in determining where it was made, and maybe when. I am no expert but in my opinion it is partially traditionally made ,maybe oil quenched.but lacks a yakote. John S.

#34 and 45 both have like numbered habaki,saya,koiguchi,fuchi,tsuba, and tsuka all matching numbers.

A correction to my previous post Toyosuke #45 has the bare blade weight of 812 grams and#34 has the bare blade weight of 802 grams or 1.79 lbs. Versus 1.76 lbs also thought I would add a couple of interesting photos

690969096 weird am I reading this right seems almost like secret message code?

I dont mind digging but I aint no Tombraider. 😁

see now, the section you mentioned. We can see that they used the Takayama Forge blades at the school. It also shows that they were bought for active use by the Navy and Army. So, widely used, to include the school. Hey @Bruce Pennington Just occured to me a possible explaination of the correlation of the swordsmith names to the intended recipients:could it be that Toyosuke blades were intended for army cadets at Toyama and Takeyasu blades were intended for Takayama naval cadets ?and both have the same crosshatch file pattern and small 4mm anchor stamp,and suriage nakago.now this is mere conjecture I know.hmmm

Too hard to pass up too hard to find.could not believe how close they are in weight. .20 ounces ! That is the weight of two u.s. dimes!

Brothers in arms: a Reunion !

34 seems to have the Takayama to shape the kissaki is thick also over 6mm 5.3 being spec.both swords have kissaki thicknesses of over 6mm traits of the 2nd design late war Takayama to

Sure no problem....they both look the same as the Masanao kabutogane

Here we have the first time in 78 years two Toyosuke Swords are in the same place at the same time for comparison first compared total weights #34 @45.45 oz. #45 @45.25 oz.

Iwas curious to know what the measurements were of the sword Takayama Masakichi used using the photos was able to estimate a sword of 2.1 shaku based on the nakago length of 1 shaku of course it is an estimate but interesting none the less. 😁

Also found it interesting that there were some made in standard navy koshirai with modified overweight,with thicker kissakis standard length blades and long 1shaku Nakago some with 1 mekugi others with 2 see example in the pdf :a Masanao photo from the Ohmura study belonging to Steven Christensen.

It looks old, I see trees,sky, a distorted face, clouds and your thumb. Ithink the Elders Will agree ....more photos....... 😁p.s.include the shira-saya may add clues.

Both documents extremely valuable research material kudos to Mal and his lovely wife for providing us this learning opportunity! Now if I could just stop confusing my pdf's 😁thank you @mecox

Arsenal stamps pg 40 near the bottom of the page.😁 you will find this update. How Mal says "cheerio"

Ok sorry that I was a little vague,the document was dated March,15 2021 (update) It seems there was a part 1 update on this update on page 3 a section titled "Takayama Tanrenjo Workshop " paragraph 2 line3 states that" The sword was used in Military batto-jutsu training by an iai school called Takayama Ryu"

Recently read in page3 through page 5 of @mecox Japanese Sword Pdf #2 there is a statement saying the Takayama to was used for cadet training .FYI John S.😁

This the one you are talking about ?

Just saw it what a lucky guy thats a steal at that price now that too looks like 1 shaku nakago hopefully we will get a real life measurement to verify my estimates,thanks for the link very cool. John S.

Hey swords lucky man you are.could you tell me the length of the Nakago I would really like to know. Please. John S.

I believe I found the answer :There is posted on the Tomoyuki Ohmura website a photo of an Ishihara Masanao Takayama-To using the specifications from the 1940 Bujin-to specification width of 33.6 mmwas able to compute the Nakago length to be 1 shaku or 11.9 inches or303 mm now that is a long nakago !!!😁