Nihontocollector752

From what I've heard the token society in the UK is more of a sales meeting, just what I've been told, but you never know

Sure sure, vilify me but you wrote your thoughts clearly and the train of thought was indeed miserable.

Buy books and you'll eventually get to a point if confidence where you know what you're actually looking at

Definitely worth sending for shinsa

Don't see what else was required in the way of pictures this place is fine for transactions

Ok so we are now calling katana junk, it was perceived that way by westerners only and never by the Asian communities who until today understand the significance of their swords. No, we will not compare them or contrast them to Nazi memorabilia because they existed well before the xxxxing Nazi regime, who does that anyway....

Kidding me, don't you see it is the Honzo Masamune

Definately not a first purchase

Please also note that as Ken has mentioned correctly the classifications we are using now for swords are recent date segregations. There is a clear reason for that as you will notice that when the sugata changes so does the classification in date. This is intentional in our system so we can identify based on the shape. Its not a show or descripton of quality directly because in every period there were good and bad smiths but in periods of war smiths were working forges full time and learning for new smiths was more accelerated than during peaceful periods. Nanbokucho blades sugata is also born from the experiences in the Mongol invasions (Soshu was also a proponentof those experiences). The elongated Kissaki is intentionally done so.

Yes absolutely, please use the dimensions and begin asking for a replica to be made. When you have completed your quest please let us know how incredible it is, but only after you've been successful.

Exactly and if we look at Markus's book MASAMUNE where on pg 153 it states: "Some remained skeptical about its authenticity as they assumed that there were no blades extant by Masamune which showed an O-Kissaki and a wider mihaba. But this approach was later refuted as there are indeed some works from his later artistic period which show where the development was going, that is to a noticable increase in blade sizes forshadowing the grandeur of the Nanbokucho period" Safe to assume Masamune and his school probably led the way in Nanbokucho sugata.

You mean to say neither Masamune or Norishige have Nanbokucho sugata blades attributed to them? Not one....

So based on very little evidence, and considering Nanbokucho begins at 1330 AD, a blade you mention at 1328 AD...it's safe to say that perhaps Norishige and Masamune worked and taught during the period. A period (Nanbokucho) that saw many of the Soshu blades destroyed in battle at the time.

The only one mentioned that did not definitively work into Nanbokucho is Shintogo the other 2 are debatable but the entire debate will be based on very few examples that have dates on their nakago....

That's a super price for that tachi and from a school that is harder and harder to find for study

@Jacques D. God forbid that Physics is a theoretical absolute? This sentence should annoy you given the mention of a deity, theory and absolution in one fell swoop...i can hear you thinking in your native language, which is not Physics. A good scientist leaves room for contradiction, changing of theory and the opinions of their peers... you're a pretty s**t scientist bro.

Wow, all this over a Naotane...it's just Naotane guys. Having seen plenty of oshigata and zufu, can everyone please keep in mind that the NBTHK will generally omit mentioning every single item of hataraki on a zaimei blade, it is zaimei so easily studied, there is no need to route and forage here. This thread is now borderline pointless and confusing to beginners

This is not a true Daisho

It is simply O-hada that is unsightly and so covered by a carving or to say reduced visually by a carving

There is no good reason to own shinshinto or shinto swords with big kizu in the hamon area.

The specific hada pattern the OP is asking about is mokume, the pattern is formed by making uniform hammer strikes in that specific area of the steel and to have three of them in a row, equally spaced shows considerable skill and consistency. As for the smith, Naotane is not a special shinshinto smith, everyone harping on about him in this thread is completely forgetting that the greatest shinshinto smith is Kiyomaro followed by Sa Yukihide as far as quality in soshu style and interpretation of Gokaden in their work, like masame hada with soshu hamon, etc, etc Naotane is famous as an affordable option for a shinshinto smith of relatively good quality that can be obtained in exchange of Kiyomaro or Yuikihde as these smiths are insanely priced out Masahide school smiths like Sa Yukihide and Masahide himself take priority but Masahide being the official founder of shinshinto is regarded as experimental and so only his very best work in either traditional style or his flamboyant toran style are priced highly and usually accompanied with horimono Naotane in now filling a gap in demand for shinshinto works of varied forging styles, nothing else. Basically if you cannot have Kiyomaro, Sa Yukihide or Suishinshi Masahide, you can buy Naotane. Why not Hosokawa Masayoshi ? He trained many fine smiths like Sa Yukihide, but teachers rarely get the same recognition in shinshinto vs pinacle students that trailblazed in the later Edo period just before the ban on swords. Hosokawa also only specialised in Bizen and some Soshu.

Beg to differ, those mounts don't look convincing, closer pics perhaps?

Masterpiece

I think the simple explanation here is that when looking at Yasatsugu, remember who you're really dealing with. This smith was tasked with reforging (re-tempering) many national treasure swords that were damaged after the war in the sengoku period. Their skill as smiths is unwavering so if you see an oblong shaped mon on the nakago or a weired mei then you should start to doubt. Simple. I think you have an issue with your evidence simply because you actively searched for bad examples as comparison to your bad example, we have all done this at some point to try and polish a turd, but, a turd is a turd. We all feel your pain.

Please dont buy this. This is a broken blade that has been shaped into a "thing"