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Well Alex, I was just trying to help the new guy out. You stated- "I was laughing at your buying tactic, not my reply. Its ridiculous logic. Anyways, not going to go around in circles again about wasting money and encouraging others to do the same." It may be ridiculous logic to you, but maybe not to a new collector that may have limited funds. I am not encouraging others to waste their money. From what I can derive from your statements, you think a new collector should waste their entire bankroll on a perfect tsuba that may end up being a fake or a reproduction. Like I stated before, I have seen where even knowledgeable collectors on this forum have gotten ripped off. Perhaps maybe with some judicious looking on Ebay, they can find some great values like I have over the years. They can always ask for help and assistance from members of this forum before making a purchase. Are you a dealer of tsuba? You sure reply like you are. My opinion.
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WTB- Muromachi or earlier tachi. Scoped the market but can't settle.
Rawa replied to hinkitetsu's topic in Wanted to Buy
You surely have tax on civil law transactions. And buying online is meant as buying in country where buyer is. Its hard for me to translate so called "spirit of law" but I assume sth like this tax exists in entire Europe. -
I was laughing at your buying tactic, not my reply. Its ridiculous logic. Anyways, not going to go around in circles again about wasting money and encouraging others to do the same. Horses for courses
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Hi Sam, thanks a lot for sharing the Darcy Brockbank article – I just read through it, and it really helps to see why people describe Jūyō as a “competition.” The way he explains the jump from Hozon/Tokubetsu Hozon to Jūyō makes a lot of sense. For my own Norinaga that passed Jūyō in 2023, it’s interesting to think about how timing and other submissions might have played a role, especially with stricter standards these days. Really appreciate you adding this context to the discussion.
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So Alex, From my entire post, once again someone picks out one sentence and comments on it (and then places what they consider a funny emoji about their reply). What are your thoughts about the rest of my post? Any comments on that?
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Darcy would be my point of reference for this opinion. AI also agrees Yes, NBTHK Juyo is a competition, in the sense that a blade's passing is not solely based on meeting a set of absolute criteria but also on how it compares to other swords submitted in the same session. While the Nihon Bijutsu Token Hozon Kyokai (NBTHK) evaluates swords based on quality and condition, the Juyo Token (Important Sword) designation involves a competitive element where only a limited number of blades can pass each year, meaning a superior sword might be passed over for a better example from the same smith or school. Understanding the "Competition" Aspect of Juyo Shinsa: Relative Quality: Even if a sword meets the minimum requirements for Juyo, it might not pass if other swords in the same submission are considered superior. Limited Passes: The NBTHK only awards Juyo status to a specific number of swords annually, making it a competitive process where blades vie for a limited number of slots. Historical Context and Comparison: Judges consider the historical context and how a blade compares to other examples by the same smith or school, potentially leading to changes in opinion over time. Polish Matters: The condition of the sword's polish is also a factor in the evaluation process, and it must meet the NBTHK's standards. Voluntary Entry: Submitting a sword for Juyo shinsa is voluntary, and by entering, you agree to the NBTHK's rules and evaluation criteria.
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Must be reassuring.
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Also note the Nagoya inspection mark. @Spartancrest
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Here is part of why people say Juyo is a competition. Written by the late Darcy Brockbank who was a respected scholar of Nihonto. It’s a web archive article, so you’ll have to scroll down a bit. I have learned a lot from Darcy’s contributions and am inclined agree with his view https://web.archive.org/web/20201022000337/https://blog.yuhindo.com/hozon-is-a-test-juyo-is-a-competition/ Please understand that this is just one side of the argument here. I don’t presume to know what Jacques believes. Lovely sword by the way! -Sam
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Hey pin yin, Like jawob stated- “Seems the best way to come ahead is arm yourself with a lot of knowledge, time and patience. Very difficult hobby.” But then again I have seen over the years on various threads on this forum that even knowledgeable collectors are sometimes ripped off. Remember, there are no guarantees (that I have seen) given along with any tsuba purchase. Even the NBTHK papers that a collector will pay a lot extra for that may come with a tsuba could be incorrect or misleading in their description of the tsuba. Eventually, if you wish to collect tsuba you are going to have to make a purchase. I found that a good thing to do is find a highly experienced member on this forum where you can send pictures of the tsuba that you want to purchase and get their opinion of the tsuba before you purchase it. But it is only their opinion and again there is no guarantee that they are 100% correct. Perhaps finding what you consider a reputable dealer is good. But that will take some purchases of tsuba and time to figure that out (unless you can make contact with some very experienced members who maybe can direct you to a reputable dealer that sells tsuba in you price range – whatever that price range is). I have found that there are (what I consider to be) reputable sellers on Ebay. But they will not consistently post tsuba on Ebay, it varies (of course) on what they purchase and then post on Ebay. So, it can take weeks before an Ebay seller that you determine as reputable will post his tsuba for sale. Again, my personal saying is if I don't spend a lot I can't get ripped off for a lot! Anyway, these are just my thoughts. Good luck and have fun with the hobby!
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To everyone, I just realized it’s only been about two hours since I opened this thread, and I’m genuinely amazed at how much valuable information has already been shared. A big thank you to everyone who has taken the time to reply and contribute – it’s incredibly helpful and very much appreciated. I’m really looking forward to hearing more insights and learning from the expertise here. This community is fantastic.
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thanks for pointing that out – I can definitely see how a signed blade would hold more commercial value compared to a mumei attribution. In my case, the Tanobe sayagaki helps a bit, but of course it’s not the same as having a signature. Good to hear that the earlier registration number is seen positively – I wasn’t sure if that detail mattered much in the market. It’s really helpful to get your perspective on this when trying to place my piece in the current range. That’s a really good point about signed vs. mumei blades. I was wondering: in general, does a Tanobe sayagaki tend to add noticeable weight to the market value, or is it more about historical and documentary appeal? I’ve come across mixed opinions on how strongly collectors factor it in.
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Had a brief spell on ebay this morning. Reminded of what an horrible experience it is, sifting through junk and scams. There is good stuff, though a lot is well overpriced. Always left with the thought that sellers are fishing for idiots.
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Wartime sword that likely had a damaged tsuka (handle). Someone along the way crafted a new wooden handle, but kept the Army kabutogane (end cap).
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Hi Jussi, thank you very much for sharing those numbers – they give a much clearer picture of how Shikkake and Norinaga blades appear across the Jūyō sessions. It’s very interesting to see how Norinaga pieces fit within the total Shikkake count. My own Norinaga received Jūyō papers in 2023, so this information really helps me understand where it stands in the broader context. I really appreciate all the work you’ve put into compiling and maintaining this database – it’s an invaluable resource for collectors like me.
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WTB- Muromachi or earlier tachi. Scoped the market but can't settle.
Rawa replied to hinkitetsu's topic in Wanted to Buy
Check fees for antiques. 8% for older then 100 years probably.