Sign on jingasa

[Viper6924]

Hi!

 

I stumbled on to this jingasa and got stuck on the red sign. Very quick question: What does it mean?

 

The jingasa is of metal with rivited sections, so I guess it was used by teppo-ashigaru.

 

Thanks!

 

Jan

[IanB]

Jan, It is a kamon representing a growing fern shoot. I don't know the family sorry.

Ian Bottomley

[Viper6924]

Thanks, Ian! I´ve been looking in my books and came up zero. Perhaps time for a Google-search on fern shoots... :D

 

Thanks again!

 

Jan

[Baka Gaijin]

Good afternoon Jan and Ian,

 

Thinking it looked similar to the handle of the Warabite - no - Tachi at Shosoin; I found a few varient Kamon using the theme of young bracken frond - "Warabi", they were all multiples, not a single Warabi Kamon.

 

See 8th line down numbers 3 to 6 :-

 

http://www.tozandoshop.com/v/vspfiles/kamon/plant3.html

 

 

Cheers

[IanB]

Malcolm, I couldn't find that kamon either but that is not uncommon. I keep seeing items with perfectly genuine kamon I have never seen before - some of exceptional quality that suggests the owner was important or wealthy yet seems to have escaped being recorded. I could understand it if it were associated with the lower classes but many of the items are of armours so they were of the military class.

Ian

[Viper6924]

You def on to something, Malcom.

I guess both the bracken or the fern is quick growing and tough plants, thats hard to kill. Just like a gritty samurai. Would be great if someone could connect them to a specific clan.

 

/Jan

[Bugyotsuji]

Will check my books later on the off-chance...

[Baka Gaijin]

Good morning all,

 

I wonder if a complete O-Uma Jirushi & Ko Uma Jirushi would contain details?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uma-jirushi

 

I've only seen the small "Kokudai" handbooks from the 1850's

 

I'll try to find a Japanese online source (it would be a useful link).

 

(Edited at 06.09 local time)

 

Here ya go for starters at the National Diet Library

 

http://www.ndl.go.jp/exhibit60/e/copy3/1emakimono.html

 

Here's an excerpt from their manifest

 

3. Storage and Use of Rare Books

 

The materials designated as rare and semi-rare books have special treatment both in storage and use unlike other materials.

 

To conserve the originals as cultural properties for coming generations, we impose certain restrictions on the use of such materials. We are also going ahead with microfilming and digitization of these valuable materials in order to provide more opportunities for users to access them. Digitized materials are accessible in the "Rare Books Image Database" on our website. This is a database mainly for digitized colored materials. As of October 2008, approximately 49,000 images of 949 titles are stored.

 

Over to you Piers & Ian, if you can access "Rare Books Image Database" 貴重書画像データベース kichōsho gazō dētabēsu which will be in Japanese on the main website, we might have a valuable resource here.

 

http://dl.ndl.go.jp/#classic

 

Edited at 08.20 local.

 

Morning again all, "貴重書画像データベース" really is the magic key to a huge resource base of links in Japanese Technical Resources and University Libraries etc.

 

Blue pill or Red pill?

 

 

Cheers

[Baka Gaijin]

Good afternoon,

 

Here, courtesy of the Samurai Archives Citadel and member "Marder" of West Yorkshire, is the complete O -Uma Jirushi annotated in English....7 Pages of it

 

http://forums.samurai-archives.com/view ... sc&start=0

 

Cheers

[Bugyotsuji]

Well, I opened that and fell in and very quickly scrambled out again! Some serious study time needed for that. Vital project if the internet does not perish before old-fashioned books do.

 

In the meantime I found a couple of references to families that used forms of the Warabi (Zenmai was also popular) Mon. Neither book illustrated the single upright frond as on that Jingasa. Both showed the three upright strands on a white circle background. 石持ち地抜き三本蕨

 

Book A suggested "Wada Shi, 上遠野Shi, Kondo Shi, etc."

Book B suggested "宇多原Shi Sasaki 庶流のWada Shi, Fujiwara 秀郷流の上遠Shi, Fujiwara Shi Shiryu no Kondo Shi, etc."

[Baka Gaijin]

Add this......

 

 

http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=1638

 

Again due recognition to Samurai Archives Citadel and the artistic skills of Member "Evalerio".

 

Cheers

[Lindus]

Add this......

 

 

http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=1638

 

Again due recognition to Samurai Archives Citadel and the artistic skills of Member "Evalerio".

 

Cheers

 

Malcolm,if you are not carefull you may have to give up your current occupation and become an Author....probably more money in it if you can get a little "Chick Lit" soft porn into the text.