IchiNi Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 Dear all, my "agent" is currently in USA and has just forwarded me some pics. personally, i like the blade but i have doubts if it can really be attributed to Tsunahiro. also, the certificate has a column with sort of crossed out text - never seen anything like that before. any help/comments would be appreciated greatly! problem is i've only got abt 12 hrs to make up my mind before my guys leaves(( thats why i'm calling out for the mighty Lords of NMB))) thank you Vlad Quote
pcfarrar Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 the certificate has a column with sort of crossed out text - never seen anything like that before. Usually its the owners details that have been removed. Quote
IchiNi Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Posted February 23, 2012 Usually its the owners details that have been removed. Thank you much appreciated. is this nbthk tokubetsu hozon? cant see the perforated number in the upper left corner... Quote
Veli Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 Hi Vlad, The paper says its Tokubetsu Hozon. If you want to be absolutely certain of authenticity, please tell the agent to check the safety features described here: http://www.nihontocraft.com/japanese_sword_papers.html#japanese_sword_5 I just had a wakizashi attributed by NTHK to Soshu Tsunahiro, but to son of this smith. http://nihontofinland.com/7 BR, Veli Quote
IchiNi Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Posted February 23, 2012 Hi Vlad, The paper says its Tokubetsu Hozon. If you want to be absolutely certain of authenticity, please tell the agent to check the safety features described here: http://www.nihontocraft.com/japanese_sword_papers.html#japanese_sword_5 I just had a wakizashi attributed by NTHK to Soshu Tsunahiro, but to son of this smith. http://nihontofinland.com/7 BR, Veli Hi Veli, nice one! thank you. yeah, this is exactly what i mean as there's no punched dots on this one(( Quote
Veli Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 I think the older papers may not have had the punching marks. Do not trust me entirely on this, I based my comment on some pictures of older TH papers: http://new.uniquejapan.com/nbthk-nihon-bijutsu-token-hozon-kyokai-certification-paper-ranking/ http://www.ricecracker.com/japanese_swords/wakizashi/sw8.htm But are the watermarks there? Veli Quote
Grey Doffin Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 I'm curious about the length wise striping on the blade. It isn't hada; is it oil that hasn't been completely wiped off (OK) or scratches (not OK)? Grey Quote
Jacques Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 Hi, This tokubetsu paper is very strange, no perforated number and i don't see any tiny brown kanji which are a secure feature. Paper itself seems odd Quote
IchiNi Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Posted February 23, 2012 yeah, Veli, you're right -- might be an older version of the paper... not too sure about the watermarks though - asked my guy to check. problem is he's not a Nihonto guy)) and i can only guess by his iphone photos. i like the blade)) but its expensive and i haven't got much time... Quote
IchiNi Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Posted February 23, 2012 Hi, This tokubetsu paper is very strange, no perforated number and i don't see any tiny brown kanji which are a secure feature. Paper itself seems odd Quote
Veli Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 Can you see the watermarks in the original of the picture#3 you posted? Veli Quote
IchiNi Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Posted February 23, 2012 Can you see the watermarks in the original of the picture#3 you posted? Veli my guy says its got watermarks and you're right there's a circle on the photo which makes me think it is one)))) Quote
IchiNi Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Posted February 23, 2012 all right now, here we go Quote
Jacques Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 Hi, Apologies, I'd checked this paper with another of the same time (dated from heisei go nen) and it turn to be real (the tiny brown kanji are placed below ji Sei 成 and ji Jin 人the last one is below the ji ken 剣. Quote
chrstphr Posted February 23, 2012 Report Posted February 23, 2012 I have hozon papers from 1988 and mine have all the watermarks and security features, but mine does not have the punchout numbers. The paper is real. Chris Quote
Surfson Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 Paper looks ok to me, other than the appearance that it has been used as a table cloth for a picnic. :lol: Quote
IchiNi Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Posted February 24, 2012 Hi all, thank you thank you thank you i wish someone had commented on the blade itself but since the origami seems to be real i'm happy :D and, yes, Surfson, obviously, it was used to serve the table -- this round oily spot on it looks weird... Quote
Veli Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 Hi Vlad! I am looking forward to better photos after you have received the blade :D . I would very much like to see the differences in hada between the 5th and 6th generation. There is probably some residual oil on the jihada, and the hadori obscures the nioiguchi, so there are limitations what we can see from the pictures. Pic. #11 may show a small fault (core steel?) or maybe not... The hada looks like the kind that I like very much, kind of silky. Anyway, a signed example by a very good smith with TH papers... I am a bit envious :D Veli Quote
IchiNi Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Posted February 24, 2012 Hi Vlad! I am looking forward to better photos after you have received the blade :D . I would very much like to see the differences in hada between the 5th and 6th generation. There is probably some residual oil on the jihada, and the hadori obscures the nioiguchi, so there are limitations what we can see from the pictures. Pic. #11 may show a small fault (core steel?) or maybe not... The hada looks like the kind that I like very much, kind of silky. Anyway, a signed example by a very good smith with TH papers... I am a bit envious :D Veli Hi Veli))) thanks i'm also looking forward to getting my hands on it)) btw, where are you based in Finland if you dont mind me asking? i tend to travel to your wonderful country from time to time so maybe we could meet up one day?))) Quote
Veli Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 I live near Helsinki, so if you happen to visit Finland and have some spare time, just mail or pm me! It is always a pleasure to meet other collectors! Veli Quote
Jacques Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 Hi, I would very much like to see the differences in hada between the 5th and 6th generation Godai Tsunahiro was the only one granted Ise no Daijo. Quote
Veli Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 Godai Tsunahiro was the only one granted Ise no Daijo. I am not sure if I understand your comment... What I meant, I have a blade from the rokudai, Vlad has a blade from the godai, and I'd like to compare the workmanship in order to understand how much the traits changed between these two generations. I guess the difference is significant. Veli Quote
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