sanjuro Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 David. The claimed provenance goes toward the description given of the sword. If that provenance as claimed is fabricated, then the credibility of the seller and also the sword and hence the transaction itself is compromised by the tissue of falsehood it would represent. We do not yet know if the claimed provenance was in writing or not, but it does have a bearing on the basis upon which the sale of this sword took place. At the end of the day however it will come down to the issue being settled between the seller and the buyer by negotiation, or by arbitration/litigation, and all of this will be merely background to the sale itself. If it went to court, as usual only the lawyers would profit regardless of the outcome, and probably regardless of the truth. Any justice/compensation or satisfaction obtained in the courts is invariably tainted by the cost of obtaining it. What seems to be happening here in this thread is that we are just counting the bullets (in terms of innaccuracies), that can be fired in any dispute. It is probably a largely academic excercise at least currently, since the principal parties to this dispute seem to have suspended negotiations. That of course is a defacto solution in itself, since the status quo will prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Instead of worrying who originally owned this sword, doesn't the whole thing revolve around how it was described and sold? If he didn't study there, then the provenance is falsified. If the provenance, which was part of the sales description, is false, then it is an offence under the Trades Description Act. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I asked for a written provenance to accompany the sword which was agreed to but not delivered. There is no ongoing negotiation as the seller stated that as far as he was concerned the matter was closed and it was clear that further correspondence would be futile so the issue has been placed in the hands of consumer rights to investigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindus Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I asked for a written provenance to accompany the sword which was agreed to but not delivered.There is no ongoing negotiation as the seller stated that as far as he was concerned the matter was closed and it was clear that further correspondence would be futile so the issue has been placed in the hands of consumer rights to investigate. This has gone on way too long,if you had bought at auction & probably paid the same the "buyer beware" scenario would apply....do as most of us have done at some time,bite the bullet,never go back again & let people know your thoughts,learn from the experience. I have a page entitled "Happy Buyers" with their feedback, also say that it is your decision...Like,Afford...buy. If this is a fraud fare enough but at the end of the day you have killed any further sale from any NMB member and made your point. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I think everyone has made their point. Which is why we are locking this. If anything new occurs, we can be reached by pm and will allow additions. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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