Klink Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 (edited) Looking through books of Kamon, I think I found something close to the one on the Jingasa. The rooted bamboo in a circle or Maru-ni Nezasa on one website says its lineage is the Chichibu Clan. I am curious about what clan the Kanji states next to book images which are similar. The Jingasa is very light and I believe it is made from layers of paper and is 16-5/8" in diameter. Is this one for Ashigaru going a march to keep the rain and sun off? Edited March 15 by Klink Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 When they are not exactly the same, the best you can say is ‘some relative’. One of these has the correct number of ‘branches’ (but yours has a diagonal top cut) and one has the correct ‘split’ in the central root. And Quote
Klink Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 Is there a common Clan association. I am trying to regionalize the family. Here is the reference from the web: Quote
Klink Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 Just wondering if the Kanji correlates to the English Text which I understand. 1 Quote
Klink Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 Thanks for responding and looking up the Kamon! I have another which I have not found any reference too. I guess it represents a Kyudo Clan with the Yumi and Ya. Don't understand what the different arrow tips represents but I thought I would toss it out here and see if anything pops up. Quote
Klink Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 The underside has a very nice laquered color finish. Quote
Klink Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 So quite ingenious... the Karitama arrow point or rope cutter... good for less penetration, hunting game and disabling horses legs..... Oh my.... Quote
uwe Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 I’ll try to figure out something about your two mon! Quote
Klink Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 45 minutes ago, uwe said: I’ll try to figure out something about your two mon! Vielen Dank! 1 Quote
uwe Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 I had a quick look, but unfortunately no exact match for both. In case of the bamboo mon I guess there might be a little bit artistical freedom involved... For the second one I couldn't get any closer as seen below: So maybe "武冨" (Taketomi clan, Bungo province)?? Quote
John C Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 7 hours ago, Klink said: The underside has a very nice laquered color finish. Dean: You might know this already, however the rank can usually be determined by the underside color of the jingasa. Generally, black for low rank, red for middle rank, and gold for upper rank. The gold patches on the red color probably means someone of middle to high rank. John C. Quote
Klink Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 Thanks John, I did not know that but I did read where the more lavish the decor such as gold leaf the higher the rank. It makes sense. Do you think the scrolling symbols on the top are related to rank as well? It seems the lower ranks were one color with the Kamon. Quote
John C Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Klink said: scrolling symbols Probably status more than rank. In other words, the owner requested one be made like that at a jingasa shop (yes, it's a real thing). The very plain ones were often loaned out by the daimyo for use by the lower ranked soldiers. To me, they look like artistic renditions of dragons (note the feet and two eyes) with the inclusion of the flaming pearl as part of the head and mane (I assume dragons have manes. It's been awhile since I've seen a real one). John C. Quote
Klink Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 I think your right John, it must be a Tatsu. Translation: dragon Alternate names: ryū, ryō, wani; known by many specific individual names Habitat: rivers, waterfalls, mountains, lakes, seas, and palaces deep in the ocean Diet: capable of eating anything Appearance: Tatsu, Japanese dragons, are similar in appearance to the dragons of China and the rest of the world. They have long, scaled bodies, serpentine tails, sharp teeth and claws, and often have horns, antlers, spines, and beards. Notice the three claws, long nose and beady eyes match the ones on the Jingasa. Quote
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