bloodycarrots Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 Need help translating this. Let me know if pictures aren’t good I can retake them in better lighting. Quote
Ray Singer Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 It would be helpful to see a better, higher resolution image. The mei is Tsuda Echizen (no) kami Sukehiro. This is a very famous smith with many fakes. Quote
ROKUJURO Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 How do you see that Ray? For me, it is just a dark brown NAKAGO! 1 Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 4 Author Report Posted June 4 16 minutes ago, Ray Singer said: It would be helpful to see a better, higher resolution image. The mei is Tsuda Echizen (no) kami Sukehiro. This is a very famous smith with many fakes. I had to upload lower quality images due to size limits. Of attachments on posts. Let me see what I can do. Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 4 Author Report Posted June 4 Hopefully this is better. I was able to download a slightly larger file size. Quote
Ray Singer Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 The date is Enpo kyu nen hachi gatsu hi. A day in the 9th month of the year 1681. 2 Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 4 Author Report Posted June 4 Just now, Ray Singer said: The date is Enpo kyu nen hachi gatsu hi. A day in the 8th month of the year 1681. Thanks! You said the signature is often faked? Is there any way to authenticate it here in the US? Quote
Ray Singer Posted June 4 Report Posted June 4 To authentic, you have the option to send to shinsa in Japan to evaluate for kanteisho (papers). Unfortunately my impression from seeing the mei and date is that this is not an authentic example of Sukehiro. Please attached for some reference examples. 2 Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 4 Author Report Posted June 4 6 minutes ago, Ray Singer said: To authentic, you have the option to send to shinsa in Japan to evaluate for kanteisho (papers). Unfortunately my impression from seeing the mei and date is that this is not an authentic example of Sukehiro. Please attached for some reference examples. These do look wildly different ☹️. I think I've been had. This was my first purchase and I guess I’ll just have to eat this mistake and learn from it. Never buy anything with a signature that doesn’t have papers. I guess one thing I can be thankful for. This was less than $1K so I didn’t get taken for that much. Quote
Ray Singer Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 It may still be quite a nice Japanese sword irrespective of the mei. You can see how common Sukehiro gimei are below. Regardless, we learn and move on... https://www.google.com/search?q="gimei"+"Sukehiro"+site%3Awww.militaria.co.za&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=503182be980b3154&sxsrf=AE3TifPuM_Cw9A2sl6nSA8zgPznTvwTolg%3A1749081678794&ei=Tt5AaKqZMKb6wbkP8uiusAw&oq="gimei"+"Sukehiro"+site%3Awww.militaria.co.za&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIisiZ2ltZWkiICJTdWtlaGlybyIgc2l0ZTp3d3cubWlsaXRhcmlhLmNvLnphSOUhUOAGWOEhcAJ4AZABAZgB1QGgAZYLqgEFMC45LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgqgAuwJwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBRAhGKABwgIFECEYqwLCAgcQIRigARgKmAMA4gMFEgExIECIBgGQBgiSBwUyLjcuMaAHgxmyBwUwLjcuMbgH3AnCBwcwLjYuMy4xyAck&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 Just now, Ray Singer said: It may still be quite a nice Japanese sword irrespective of the mei. You can see how common Sukehiro gimei are below. https://www.google.com/search?q="gimei"+"Sukehiro"+site%3Awww.militaria.co.za&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=503182be980b3154&sxsrf=AE3TifPuM_Cw9A2sl6nSA8zgPznTvwTolg%3A1749081678794&ei=Tt5AaKqZMKb6wbkP8uiusAw&oq="gimei"+"Sukehiro"+site%3Awww.militaria.co.za&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIisiZ2ltZWkiICJTdWtlaGlybyIgc2l0ZTp3d3cubWlsaXRhcmlhLmNvLnphSOUhUOAGWOEhcAJ4AZABAZgB1QGgAZYLqgEFMC45LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgqgAuwJwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBRAhGKABwgIFECEYqwLCAgcQIRigARgKmAMA4gMFEgExIECIBgGQBgiSBwUyLjcuMaAHgxmyBwUwLjcuMbgH3AnCBwcwLjYuMy4xyAck&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp If I can take some good blade photos I will post them. Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 40 minutes ago, Ray Singer said: It may still be quite a nice Japanese sword irrespective of the mei. You can see how common Sukehiro gimei are below. Regardless, we learn and move on... https://www.google.com/search?q="gimei"+"Sukehiro"+site%3Awww.militaria.co.za&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=503182be980b3154&sxsrf=AE3TifPuM_Cw9A2sl6nSA8zgPznTvwTolg%3A1749081678794&ei=Tt5AaKqZMKb6wbkP8uiusAw&oq="gimei"+"Sukehiro"+site%3Awww.militaria.co.za&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIisiZ2ltZWkiICJTdWtlaGlybyIgc2l0ZTp3d3cubWlsaXRhcmlhLmNvLnphSOUhUOAGWOEhcAJ4AZABAZgB1QGgAZYLqgEFMC45LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgqgAuwJwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICBRAhGKABwgIFECEYqwLCAgcQIRigARgKmAMA4gMFEgExIECIBgGQBgiSBwUyLjcuMaAHgxmyBwUwLjcuMbgH3AnCBwcwLjYuMy4xyAck&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp I took pictures as best I could (not a professional photographer) Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 looks like I've exceeded the filesize limits for posts, and i cant upload here. I put them on a google drive and opened it up to anyone with a link https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/111UlSaoUkIlU8ibqnCbwherBuhWOMoYF?usp=sharing Quote
Ray Singer Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 Looks like you are squarely in Mino-Villa there (the blade shows characteristics of Mino-den work, with a togari-gunome hamon). This reinforces what we saw earlier with the mei, the deki (workmanship) is also not what we would expect to see for an authentic Tsuda Sukehiro. Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 3 minutes ago, Ray Singer said: Looks like you are squarely in Mino-Villa there (the blade shows characteristics of Mino-den work, with a togari-gunome hamon). This reinforces what we saw earlier with the mei, the deki (workmanship) is also not what we would expect to see for an authentic Tsuda Sukehiro. So real antique sword, but fake signature. Which based on that google search is quite common with this smith? Quote
Ray Singer Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 Yes an authentic antique Japanese sword and value is what a mumei Mino-den blade would be (perhaps a Sue-seki example). Quote
Bugyotsuji Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 Srinivas, try cropping your photos before uploading. (80% of each is unwanted background.) Quote
bloodycarrots Posted June 5 Author Report Posted June 5 4 minutes ago, Bugyotsuji said: Srinivas, try cropping your photos before uploading. (80% of each is unwanted background.) Didn’t think of that. It would drastically reduce size. I’ll keep that in mind. 1 Quote
ROKUJURO Posted June 5 Report Posted June 5 And use a dark, non-reflecting background to increase contrast. The above photos are not well focused, and this has nothing to do with the camera. Usually, good sword photos need some practice! Quote
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