Chriso Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 I picked up what I think is a very nice papered Katana by Toshizane which I'm in the process of collecting information on. To date I believe that he was a Shin Shinto smith who was also the teacher of both Kiyomaro and Masao, and his Hawleys rating is 35 points Ref TOS354. Unfortunately at the moment that is all that i have, apart from the NBTHK Origami. Is there anyone that could please give me a hand in translating the text of these papers to help me put together a better picture of this Smith. I've read Dr Stein's artical on Japanese Sword Authentication Papers, so I have an idea what each column of Kanje represents but not the actual detail on this certificate. Regards Chris O Quote
Nobody Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 As for the information on the smith, there are only the mei and the length of the sword on the paper. The owner's name and the date of issue are written on the reverse. For the general descriptions, refer to the following page of Nihontocraft.com. It may be helpful. Ref. Hozon Kanteisho: http://www.nihontocraft.com/japanese_sw ... se_sword_4 Maybe 90 % of its translations are correct. However, the following sections are incorrect. Sec. 1.,6., and 15. for Tokubetsu Hozon Kanteisho include misunderstandings. Quote
Chriso Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 Many thanks for the link Koichi-san. Is it possible for you to determine what the text including date of issue actually states for me. Best wishes Chris O Quote
Jean Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Chris, You must make an effort Begin with the easiest which is the date of issue (second column starting from the left) I let you decipher it, go to the Forum kanji page First two kanji are the era : Not too difficult to find taking into account That NBTHK is a relatively new organisation Third and fourth : numeral + year (a bit tricky when you don't know the kanji which looks like "moto") when you have found it, you will never forget it in your whole life (believe me) Fifth/sixth and seventh: numeral + month eighth + ninth: numeral + day Quote
Chriso Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 You are right of course Jean. Thanks for the guidance. I'll have a go at it and post the results. I am learning........trust me Chris O Quote
Chriso Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Posted April 12, 2009 Ok, so based on my understanding of the references, I've had a go at determining the front of the Origami. I'm unsure in a number of areas so I will keep plugging away. To date and reading from the right I think I have: * Kanteisho - An appraisal written in calligraphy * Blade Length - Nagasa 2 Shaku 1 Bu * Item Katana - mei - Inaba Toshizani * Rank is Hozon - Examination by the Tokyo branch has resulted in the decision that the Item is worthy of presevation * Date paper was written - Hei-sei (1989) 6 year - 12 month - 6 day. (6 December 1989) * Paper was produced by NBTHK, the organisation is officially recognised as an incorporated foundation hopeing that at least some of this is correct. Cheers Chris Quote
Nobody Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 I am impressed by your effort. * Kanteisho - An appraisal written in calligraphy Kanteisho means an appraisal or a certificate of authenticity. “Sho (書)” does not mean calligraphy but only means a document in this context. That is misunderstood on the referred site. * Blade Length - Nagasa 2 Shaku 1 Bu - Nagasa 2-Shaku 1-Sun(Notes: 1-Sun = 1/10 Shaku, 1-Bu = 1/100 Shaku) * Item Katana - mei - Inaba Toshizani Hitotsu (= 1, but used as a heading of enumerations), katana, mei Toshizane * Rank is Hozon - Examination by the Tokyo branch has resulted in the decision that the Item is worthy of preservation This part is misunderstood on the referred site.Correct: Examination by this organization (當協會 – To-Kyokai) Incorrect: Examination by Tokyo branch (東京會 – Tokyo-kai) * Date paper was written - Hei-sei (1989) 6 year - 12 month - 6 day. (6 December 1989) Heisei Gan-nen (元年 = the first year) 12-gatsu 6-ka – December 6, 1989BTW, the date of issue written on the back is January 25, 1990. So, I suspect that the date on the front might be the date of the judgment. Quote
Chriso Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Posted April 12, 2009 Koichi-san and Jean, Thank you both for your patients and your guidance. This is one lesson that I will not be forgetting. Chris O Quote
Jean Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 Chris, I am impressed, it was a very good try I warned you about Gan-nen (with the "moto" kanji) - I took me the first time more than one hour to get it and I have never forget it since Quote
reinhard Posted April 12, 2009 Report Posted April 12, 2009 As for the smith: KIYOMARO and SANEO were trained by Kawamura TOSHITAKA of Hamabe school. A native of Inaba province, he later moved to Shinano province and worked there for the Ueda family. Your sword is signed: TOSHIZANE. He was also a master of Hamabe school, but remained in Inaba province and took the name Minryushi. He was not connected to Yamaura-school as far as I know. Always suggested that it is this TOSHIZANE meant here. reinhard Quote
Chriso Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Posted April 13, 2009 Reinhard, thanks for the additional Info. It now gives me other areas to look at. I'm starting to put together a pretty reasonable picture of this smith. Regards Chris Quote
reinhard Posted April 13, 2009 Report Posted April 13, 2009 Chris, SEIKEIDO has a very nice Minryushi TOSHIZANE katana for sale right now. It might be interesting for you to compare these two swords: http://www.nona.dti.ne.jp/~sword/katana/toshizane.html BTW, some of the pics there are very well illustrating how to make hamon visible in photographs and not just depicting hadori finish. reinhard Quote
Chriso Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Posted April 14, 2009 Thanks for the heads up Reinhard, It' a good looking piece that SEIKEIDO has on the website. Pity the text is in Japanese, I'm currently taking a break from trying to determin what the Kanji state. Only kidding. Best wishes Chris Quote
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